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		<title>By: Death of the Niche Healer &#8250; WoW Marks</title>
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		<title>By: Niamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish this was true.  I wish niche healing was dead, but it certainly isn&#039;t in my guild.  Given the option we will bring, guaranteed, 2 paladins for tank healing.  We&#039;ll bring one druid for their awesome HOTS, one Shaman for their awesome AOE healing and one discipline priest.  They will then usually bring an additional druid or shaman.  Notice what is missing?

Although priests have two healing trees, most raids will bring one who is specced dicipline/holy.  That priest will heal discipline for most of the fights (the priest niche) and go holy for the occaisional fight where the discipline spec is not optimal.  The holy priest is left out, unless there is not a druid or shaman available to fill that last AOE heal slot.  The nature of discipline healing, makes it counterproductive to bring 2 priests of that spec.


You go to the healing forum and see folks saying: only idiots use meters when selecting players for healing slots.  Well, I don&#039;t think most raid leads really understand that.  They see the holy priest consistantly lagging on the healing meters and decide to bring a druid or a shaman, unless the holy priest is close to god-like in skill.  The class with two healing specs, the class that was originally most attractive for people wanting to heal in raids is finding itself limited to one healing slot on raids, while paladins are pretty much guaranteed 2.

I hope Cataclysm will bring some changes to bring holy specced priests back into line with other healers so that, all things being even a holy specced priest has a much chance of being slotted into raids as any of the other healing specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish this was true.  I wish niche healing was dead, but it certainly isn&#8217;t in my guild.  Given the option we will bring, guaranteed, 2 paladins for tank healing.  We&#8217;ll bring one druid for their awesome HOTS, one Shaman for their awesome AOE healing and one discipline priest.  They will then usually bring an additional druid or shaman.  Notice what is missing?</p>
<p>Although priests have two healing trees, most raids will bring one who is specced dicipline/holy.  That priest will heal discipline for most of the fights (the priest niche) and go holy for the occaisional fight where the discipline spec is not optimal.  The holy priest is left out, unless there is not a druid or shaman available to fill that last AOE heal slot.  The nature of discipline healing, makes it counterproductive to bring 2 priests of that spec.</p>
<p>You go to the healing forum and see folks saying: only idiots use meters when selecting players for healing slots.  Well, I don&#8217;t think most raid leads really understand that.  They see the holy priest consistantly lagging on the healing meters and decide to bring a druid or a shaman, unless the holy priest is close to god-like in skill.  The class with two healing specs, the class that was originally most attractive for people wanting to heal in raids is finding itself limited to one healing slot on raids, while paladins are pretty much guaranteed 2.</p>
<p>I hope Cataclysm will bring some changes to bring holy specced priests back into line with other healers so that, all things being even a holy specced priest has a much chance of being slotted into raids as any of the other healing specs.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamwow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamwow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and paladins embraced their bacon&quot;
mmm,  bacon
That being said, Great Post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and paladins embraced their bacon&#8221;<br />
mmm,  bacon<br />
That being said, Great Post!</p>
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		<title>By: Sempr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sempr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree as well. I think certain classes are request to achieve buffs and not just because of that classes niche. I have been in raids in the past where a shaman has been desired just for the totems. I personally am farming first and 2nd wings of ICC 10 man with a druid/Holy priest combo with a Enh shaman as backup heals on certain fights. Any class is capable of filling most rolls, you just have to use a few different tools in your toolbox. In conclusion I think its more wanting to get what the class brings to the raid then wanting that healer class because it fills a certain niche that others cant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree as well. I think certain classes are request to achieve buffs and not just because of that classes niche. I have been in raids in the past where a shaman has been desired just for the totems. I personally am farming first and 2nd wings of ICC 10 man with a druid/Holy priest combo with a Enh shaman as backup heals on certain fights. Any class is capable of filling most rolls, you just have to use a few different tools in your toolbox. In conclusion I think its more wanting to get what the class brings to the raid then wanting that healer class because it fills a certain niche that others cant.</p>
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		<title>By: Alifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t &quot;demand&quot; to be in a niche, but I do expect the people running a raid to understand what I&#039;m designed to do as either a Discipline or Holy Priest. I dual spec both so I&#039;m incredibly versatile, but under most cases hearing &quot;just bubble everyone&quot; makes me groan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t &#8220;demand&#8221; to be in a niche, but I do expect the people running a raid to understand what I&#8217;m designed to do as either a Discipline or Holy Priest. I dual spec both so I&#8217;m incredibly versatile, but under most cases hearing &#8220;just bubble everyone&#8221; makes me groan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &#039;niche healing&#039; is dead. i personally play a holy paladin and every raid I&#039;m in (it never fails), I&#039;m always assigned to MT or OT healing. Which is perfectly fine with me, because beacon makes healing that much easier. The thing that drives me nuts is that I have come across holy paladins in raids (when there is more than 1 in a raid) who insist that they CAN&#039;T raid heal. Because with beacon and the glyph of holy light, raid healing is something holy paladins can do as long as they actually TRY to do it. And I don&#039;t know of any healers (that are good, at least) who, when put on MT/OT healing, don&#039;t spot heal the raid when it&#039;s necessary. 

The dungeons in Wrath were definitely a challenge to heal (at first!) for a holy paladin b/c of having gotten so comfortable with &#039;niche tank healing&#039; in BC. It made me sit up and go &#039;oh I have to actually work now&quot; because in BC it was almost boring to heal on a paladin. I personally enjoy how healing has changed for paladins b/c I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;m stuck doing nothing but tank healing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8216;niche healing&#8217; is dead. i personally play a holy paladin and every raid I&#8217;m in (it never fails), I&#8217;m always assigned to MT or OT healing. Which is perfectly fine with me, because beacon makes healing that much easier. The thing that drives me nuts is that I have come across holy paladins in raids (when there is more than 1 in a raid) who insist that they CAN&#8217;T raid heal. Because with beacon and the glyph of holy light, raid healing is something holy paladins can do as long as they actually TRY to do it. And I don&#8217;t know of any healers (that are good, at least) who, when put on MT/OT healing, don&#8217;t spot heal the raid when it&#8217;s necessary. </p>
<p>The dungeons in Wrath were definitely a challenge to heal (at first!) for a holy paladin b/c of having gotten so comfortable with &#8216;niche tank healing&#8217; in BC. It made me sit up and go &#8216;oh I have to actually work now&#8221; because in BC it was almost boring to heal on a paladin. I personally enjoy how healing has changed for paladins b/c I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;m stuck doing nothing but tank healing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tih</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AJMac

I agree with you on the play style. But that&#039;s not the only point is it? Every class should (and does) have its strengths and weaknesses. Some directly affect their dps/hps, other affect the rest of the people in their group, and yet other affect the way they perform in their given role, be it a tank, healer or damage dealer. 

Homogenization - ultimately it would lead to every class being pretty much the same. Imagine having spells that do exactly the same, and i really mean the same - numbers, cooldowns, ticks in case of HoTs, but are only named differently - that&#039;s the ultimate homogenization. As far as healers are concerned, how much difference can you really milk out of mere play style before reverting one or the other class back to being primarily a raid or a single target healer? Not that much i would say, and that&#039;s why i don&#039;t think homogenization is a good thing in the long run. Eventually it will kill off the need to have different classes. 

(sidenote: Blizz has already walked that path with deathknights - there&#039;s a class that can be a good tank and a good dps, and we were flooded with them for a while, to the point you couldn&#039;t find a warrior tank or a paladin tank if you life depended on it, untill nerfbat started swinging left and right.)

Now, having said that, what i do like is people being able to master every possible role for their class, regardless of class-specific weaknesses - and that&#039;s the real mastery and beauty of the game. Leave the roles as they are and let the players find the best way to fill in - don&#039;t make us jacks of all trades by default, let us work our way there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AJMac</p>
<p>I agree with you on the play style. But that&#8217;s not the only point is it? Every class should (and does) have its strengths and weaknesses. Some directly affect their dps/hps, other affect the rest of the people in their group, and yet other affect the way they perform in their given role, be it a tank, healer or damage dealer. </p>
<p>Homogenization &#8211; ultimately it would lead to every class being pretty much the same. Imagine having spells that do exactly the same, and i really mean the same &#8211; numbers, cooldowns, ticks in case of HoTs, but are only named differently &#8211; that&#8217;s the ultimate homogenization. As far as healers are concerned, how much difference can you really milk out of mere play style before reverting one or the other class back to being primarily a raid or a single target healer? Not that much i would say, and that&#8217;s why i don&#8217;t think homogenization is a good thing in the long run. Eventually it will kill off the need to have different classes. </p>
<p>(sidenote: Blizz has already walked that path with deathknights &#8211; there&#8217;s a class that can be a good tank and a good dps, and we were flooded with them for a while, to the point you couldn&#8217;t find a warrior tank or a paladin tank if you life depended on it, untill nerfbat started swinging left and right.)</p>
<p>Now, having said that, what i do like is people being able to master every possible role for their class, regardless of class-specific weaknesses &#8211; and that&#8217;s the real mastery and beauty of the game. Leave the roles as they are and let the players find the best way to fill in &#8211; don&#8217;t make us jacks of all trades by default, let us work our way there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AJMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tih

The point of having different classes is play style.  Take mages and warlocks - both cast spells to DPS, so why not make them one class?  Druids and priests heal very differently.  I&#039;m not the most experienced healer (or general WoW player for that matter) in the raiding world, but there is a clear difference in the ways classes heal.  Should this affect what they heal?  No.  Some players like tank healing.  Some players like raid healing.

Talent trees should be more open and free, allowing every class that heals have the choice whether they specialise in single target healing or AoE/raid.  Hopefully Cataclysm will bring that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tih</p>
<p>The point of having different classes is play style.  Take mages and warlocks &#8211; both cast spells to DPS, so why not make them one class?  Druids and priests heal very differently.  I&#8217;m not the most experienced healer (or general WoW player for that matter) in the raiding world, but there is a clear difference in the ways classes heal.  Should this affect what they heal?  No.  Some players like tank healing.  Some players like raid healing.</p>
<p>Talent trees should be more open and free, allowing every class that heals have the choice whether they specialise in single target healing or AoE/raid.  Hopefully Cataclysm will bring that.</p>
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		<title>By: terian</title>
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		<dc:creator>terian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Larsi
&quot;Druids excel at raid healing in a big way, and are not really suited for the spiky damage a tank takes.&quot;

Please refrain from making sweeping, wrong generalizations like this.  

Druids are excellent at healing spike damage.  Stack on full hots and nourish spam.  Nourish heals get bigger the more hots there are on the tank, AND it heals big and fast with Nature&#039;s Grace.  I&#039;ve chain procced NG nonstop while healing a tank.  Any druid worth their salt has 800 haste or more now, so that means faster heals, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larsi<br />
&#8220;Druids excel at raid healing in a big way, and are not really suited for the spiky damage a tank takes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please refrain from making sweeping, wrong generalizations like this.  </p>
<p>Druids are excellent at healing spike damage.  Stack on full hots and nourish spam.  Nourish heals get bigger the more hots there are on the tank, AND it heals big and fast with Nature&#8217;s Grace.  I&#8217;ve chain procced NG nonstop while healing a tank.  Any druid worth their salt has 800 haste or more now, so that means faster heals, too.</p>
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		<title>By: lipstick</title>
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		<dc:creator>lipstick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh. We get healing assignments at the start of each boss pull. And as a Disc priest I&#039;m normally assigned to one of the tanks. But I never -just- heal the tank. I liken the healing assignments given, to being the &quot;motivation&quot; of an actor in a particular scene he&#039;s been given by his director. I am motivated to heal the tank, and he&#039;s going to be given the bulk of my attention/be the back drop for my performance. 

But I&#039;ll also sometimes out of boredom er I mean to be helpful really, I mean to be helpful I&#039;ll play tick-tac-toe with my grid interface and the the weakened sole debuff, covering clothies or other high dps / crucial members of our DPS team in melee who I think might get a lil aggro happy.

At the end of the day if everyone (or almost everyone) lives, the boss dies. I&#039;m pretty happy. We have awesome shaman/druid raids heals. And Our tank heals is often a mix of Disc priests and Pallys. As disc I&#039;ve had to be on raid heals.

And to be honest I haven&#039;t enjoyed it. Not because I wasn&#039;t decent at it. But because I didn&#039;t feel -optimized- for the role, and knew my healing output was no match for the other group healers.

I think that&#039;s the big part of why people want niches. They want to feel useful. They want to feel like their unique talents and abilities are important. I think you can celebrate diversity all you want.. but no-one wants to be that healer that the raid healer goes .. So what do we do with you? Or hey .. do you mind switching to DPS tonight I think we&#039;re good on heals.

THe more defined your role .. the more your given the ability to shine in that role. Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. We get healing assignments at the start of each boss pull. And as a Disc priest I&#8217;m normally assigned to one of the tanks. But I never -just- heal the tank. I liken the healing assignments given, to being the &#8220;motivation&#8221; of an actor in a particular scene he&#8217;s been given by his director. I am motivated to heal the tank, and he&#8217;s going to be given the bulk of my attention/be the back drop for my performance. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll also sometimes out of boredom er I mean to be helpful really, I mean to be helpful I&#8217;ll play tick-tac-toe with my grid interface and the the weakened sole debuff, covering clothies or other high dps / crucial members of our DPS team in melee who I think might get a lil aggro happy.</p>
<p>At the end of the day if everyone (or almost everyone) lives, the boss dies. I&#8217;m pretty happy. We have awesome shaman/druid raids heals. And Our tank heals is often a mix of Disc priests and Pallys. As disc I&#8217;ve had to be on raid heals.</p>
<p>And to be honest I haven&#8217;t enjoyed it. Not because I wasn&#8217;t decent at it. But because I didn&#8217;t feel -optimized- for the role, and knew my healing output was no match for the other group healers.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the big part of why people want niches. They want to feel useful. They want to feel like their unique talents and abilities are important. I think you can celebrate diversity all you want.. but no-one wants to be that healer that the raid healer goes .. So what do we do with you? Or hey .. do you mind switching to DPS tonight I think we&#8217;re good on heals.</p>
<p>THe more defined your role .. the more your given the ability to shine in that role. Just my opinion.</p>
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