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	<title>Comments on: I Will Not Carry You</title>
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		<title>By: Elenaltarien</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25512</link>
		<dc:creator>Elenaltarien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually try to heal through stupid and many times I don&#039;t mind so much. Dumb DPS and tanks can make some of the easier heroics far more interesting (within reason of course)!
.-= Elenaltarien&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://healershaven.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/addons-power-auras/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Addons: Power Auras&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually try to heal through stupid and many times I don&#8217;t mind so much. Dumb DPS and tanks can make some of the easier heroics far more interesting (within reason of course)!<br />
.-= Elenaltarien&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://healershaven.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/addons-power-auras/" rel="nofollow">Addons: Power Auras</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Maaya</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25325</link>
		<dc:creator>Maaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;ve been gearing up my paladin tank alt from all blues, I know it&#039;s quite easy for a well geared DPS to steal aggro from a tank. My bottom line is, if you steal aggro, you switch targets and carry on another mob. I&#039;ve seen so many times when a tank has to fight over DPS after he taunts, because the DPS is trying to burn down that mob.

And what I get is two tanks. One in DPS gear thinking he&#039;s fine, the other tanking four other mobs while blowing all his taunts on this last mob. Especially Death Knights, they never, never, and I mean never, stop or switch targets once they aggro.

I once even had a rogue thinking his 30% dodge is enough to tank those abomination elites in heroic Culling of Stratholme. I was on my paladin tank.

&quot;Please watch your threat.&quot;
&quot;It&#039;s okay, I have 30% dodge, easy stuff.&quot;
&quot;I&#039;ve got 67% damage reduction.&quot; I replied. (It was when I still only had 33% avoidance.)

And in the last stretch before the extra boss, he sneaks forward trying to solo one of the abominations, because I always taunted back and he wasn&#039;t geared enough to steal aggro from me on my focus target. So I let him go on. By the time we got there, he was in the red and had to vanish or did some threat dump. After that he watched his aggro.

Some people just don&#039;t realize they&#039;re &quot;fine&quot; tanking those elites because the healer is spamming heals on them.

I will &quot;carry&quot; those people because I just want to get the dungeon over and done with (and you can&#039;t kick them so soon anyway), but if they go out of their way to do stupid things, I will let them. Both on my tree and on my tankadin.
.-= Maaya&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://maayadiary.blogspot.com/2010/01/tie-up-loose-ends.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tie up the loose ends&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve been gearing up my paladin tank alt from all blues, I know it&#8217;s quite easy for a well geared DPS to steal aggro from a tank. My bottom line is, if you steal aggro, you switch targets and carry on another mob. I&#8217;ve seen so many times when a tank has to fight over DPS after he taunts, because the DPS is trying to burn down that mob.</p>
<p>And what I get is two tanks. One in DPS gear thinking he&#8217;s fine, the other tanking four other mobs while blowing all his taunts on this last mob. Especially Death Knights, they never, never, and I mean never, stop or switch targets once they aggro.</p>
<p>I once even had a rogue thinking his 30% dodge is enough to tank those abomination elites in heroic Culling of Stratholme. I was on my paladin tank.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please watch your threat.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s okay, I have 30% dodge, easy stuff.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;ve got 67% damage reduction.&#8221; I replied. (It was when I still only had 33% avoidance.)</p>
<p>And in the last stretch before the extra boss, he sneaks forward trying to solo one of the abominations, because I always taunted back and he wasn&#8217;t geared enough to steal aggro from me on my focus target. So I let him go on. By the time we got there, he was in the red and had to vanish or did some threat dump. After that he watched his aggro.</p>
<p>Some people just don&#8217;t realize they&#8217;re &#8220;fine&#8221; tanking those elites because the healer is spamming heals on them.</p>
<p>I will &#8220;carry&#8221; those people because I just want to get the dungeon over and done with (and you can&#8217;t kick them so soon anyway), but if they go out of their way to do stupid things, I will let them. Both on my tree and on my tankadin.<br />
.-= Maaya&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://maayadiary.blogspot.com/2010/01/tie-up-loose-ends.html" rel="nofollow">Tie up the loose ends</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Big-Muu - Aman'Thul</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25306</link>
		<dc:creator>Big-Muu - Aman'Thul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being my Paladin&#039;s off-spec, I see healing from a DPS&#039; viewpoint and understand that there will be times when a DPS is going to have a fit of &quot;Go Hard or Go Home&quot; and steal aggro from a tank.  It happens sometimes.  It&#039;s how they handle the situation that governs whether I&#039;ll heal them through - and whether that mob was the focus target.  If they use some form of aggro dump (wisely) or try to heal themselves through or burn down the mob, it shows that a) they know their character/class and b) are prepared to put themselves on the line and take responsibility for their actions.  I stipulate *wisely* as it&#039;s one thing to look at Omen and make sure that the tank is in second place before popping an aggro-dump, but another entirely to just dump aggro straight away and let a mob make a bee-line for the healer.  When I run DPS, if Omen is saying I&#039;m top spot and the healer is second, I&#039;ll do my best to burn down the mob myself (healing myself on every Art of War proc if necessary).

I myself will NEVER leave a group if we&#039;ve downed the first boss.  From that point it&#039;s personal.  If I&#039;m trying to heal a group of yahoos and idiots who like to know what Recount is saying after every mob or chain-pull to see how many mobs it takes to see a Holy Paladin go from 36k mana to OOM I&#039;ll DI a Rogue or Warlock just before death.  Why?  Because they CANNOT resurrect, forcing the rest of the party to run back while they try to figure out why their character can&#039;t move - and because I suffer no durability loss.  The thought of running back will generally make the worst of the bunch leave and a frantic Rogue spamming party chat with, &quot;Why can&#039;t I move?!?  What&#039;s happened?!?&quot;, always gives me a chuckle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being my Paladin&#8217;s off-spec, I see healing from a DPS&#8217; viewpoint and understand that there will be times when a DPS is going to have a fit of &#8220;Go Hard or Go Home&#8221; and steal aggro from a tank.  It happens sometimes.  It&#8217;s how they handle the situation that governs whether I&#8217;ll heal them through &#8211; and whether that mob was the focus target.  If they use some form of aggro dump (wisely) or try to heal themselves through or burn down the mob, it shows that a) they know their character/class and b) are prepared to put themselves on the line and take responsibility for their actions.  I stipulate *wisely* as it&#8217;s one thing to look at Omen and make sure that the tank is in second place before popping an aggro-dump, but another entirely to just dump aggro straight away and let a mob make a bee-line for the healer.  When I run DPS, if Omen is saying I&#8217;m top spot and the healer is second, I&#8217;ll do my best to burn down the mob myself (healing myself on every Art of War proc if necessary).</p>
<p>I myself will NEVER leave a group if we&#8217;ve downed the first boss.  From that point it&#8217;s personal.  If I&#8217;m trying to heal a group of yahoos and idiots who like to know what Recount is saying after every mob or chain-pull to see how many mobs it takes to see a Holy Paladin go from 36k mana to OOM I&#8217;ll DI a Rogue or Warlock just before death.  Why?  Because they CANNOT resurrect, forcing the rest of the party to run back while they try to figure out why their character can&#8217;t move &#8211; and because I suffer no durability loss.  The thought of running back will generally make the worst of the bunch leave and a frantic Rogue spamming party chat with, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t I move?!?  What&#8217;s happened?!?&#8221;, always gives me a chuckle.</p>
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		<title>By: hark80</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25176</link>
		<dc:creator>hark80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My new favorite game is &quot;Shammy Roulette&quot;. Once that aggro-loving terribad DPS starts to grate on your nerves, stop actively healing them. If chain heal bounces, ancestral awakening, and healing stream keep them alive, it&#039;s their lucky day! If not, we can hope that their deaths and subsequent repair bill will trigger a wave of self reflection that results on them deciding to l2p. That of course never happens, but that means there will always be contestants for next time... on...SHAMMY ROULETTE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My new favorite game is &#8220;Shammy Roulette&#8221;. Once that aggro-loving terribad DPS starts to grate on your nerves, stop actively healing them. If chain heal bounces, ancestral awakening, and healing stream keep them alive, it&#8217;s their lucky day! If not, we can hope that their deaths and subsequent repair bill will trigger a wave of self reflection that results on them deciding to l2p. That of course never happens, but that means there will always be contestants for next time&#8230; on&#8230;SHAMMY ROULETTE!</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; heal stupid, and I &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; heal lazy, and usually, I try my best to do both. However, the tank is always my first priority; I&#039;m second; everyone else is third.

If the tank is not being stupid or lazy, chances are we&#039;ll make it through the run. If he is, then it&#039;s still better than even that we&#039;ll make it. But if there comes a time when there is just too much stupid or lazy, I&#039;ll definitely let the group know why I&#039;m leaving.

And if I&#039;m in a group as DPS, I try my damnedest not to be stupid or lazy; however, I&#039;m still learning most fights from the perspective of actually seeing what the bosses are doing as they do it. So, I make mistakes. And when I do, I own up to it. 

Interestingly, the only group I was ever vote-kicked from, I was top DPS and had the temerity to suggest the tank wait for his guild-mate healer get mana.
.-= Kestrel&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/KestrelsAerie/~3/7UsU4BGZKIk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Merry Christmas from the Land of Aloha&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <i>can</i> heal stupid, and I <i>can</i> heal lazy, and usually, I try my best to do both. However, the tank is always my first priority; I&#8217;m second; everyone else is third.</p>
<p>If the tank is not being stupid or lazy, chances are we&#8217;ll make it through the run. If he is, then it&#8217;s still better than even that we&#8217;ll make it. But if there comes a time when there is just too much stupid or lazy, I&#8217;ll definitely let the group know why I&#8217;m leaving.</p>
<p>And if I&#8217;m in a group as DPS, I try my damnedest not to be stupid or lazy; however, I&#8217;m still learning most fights from the perspective of actually seeing what the bosses are doing as they do it. So, I make mistakes. And when I do, I own up to it. </p>
<p>Interestingly, the only group I was ever vote-kicked from, I was top DPS and had the temerity to suggest the tank wait for his guild-mate healer get mana.<br />
.-= Kestrel&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/KestrelsAerie/~3/7UsU4BGZKIk/" rel="nofollow">Merry Christmas from the Land of Aloha</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Upyursh</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25166</link>
		<dc:creator>Upyursh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol clearly an interesting topic :) I agree it is hard to let people die, but the reality is while you&#039;re spamming heals on a fail mage your tank is at high risk of getting some quick big hits and dropping. If i can (without risking my main focuss) heal them through their stupid I will :)

Merry Xmas Ya&#039;ll
.-= Upyursh&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upyursh.com/2009/12/making-those-debuffs-work-for-you-sbf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Making Those Debuffs Work For You – SBF&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol clearly an interesting topic <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I agree it is hard to let people die, but the reality is while you&#8217;re spamming heals on a fail mage your tank is at high risk of getting some quick big hits and dropping. If i can (without risking my main focuss) heal them through their stupid I will <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Merry Xmas Ya&#8217;ll<br />
.-= Upyursh&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.upyursh.com/2009/12/making-those-debuffs-work-for-you-sbf.html" rel="nofollow">Making Those Debuffs Work For You – SBF</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasdingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasdingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read this and thought about it a bit and then read it and all the comments again.  I have to say that I would disagree with your stance here.

When I join a dungeon as a healer, tank or DPS I&#039;m there to play my part in the group and I strive to do so no matter how the others are behaving.  If I disagree with how people are playing, I&#039;ll express that politely in party chat and then simply leave.

Someone else acting like an asshat does not entitle me to act like one too.

Most recently I was trying to do the pilgrim events and while trying to run to the table in Ironforge and Stormwind I was killed and corpse camped repeatedly.  I was frustrated and swearing and for the most part it ruined what would have been an enjoyable, relaxing morning of gaming.

I was pissed and kept wondering what made that fun for the players who were killing me.  There is little challenge in killing someone in full PvE gear who is just trying to do achievements.  Especially when you outnumber them 10-1 or more.

I went back to Horde territory and was sitting outside of UC when an alliance priest rode in.  I spun around in righteous vengeance caught her with a hammer of justice and then made ready to beat her into oblivion.  They had done it to me.  Why shouldn&#039;t i do it to them.

Because I didn&#039;t like having it done to me.  I was officially sinking to their level.  Acting like an asshat because someone had done it to me.

If you join a pug and don&#039;t like how someone is playing, the politely ask them why they are behaving in such a way.  Be constructive in your criticism.

If they become rude or abusive, or just simply keep playing in a way that offends you, leave.  Be nice about it.  A simple &quot;my apologies, but i don&#039;t think that this group is the best use of my playtime.  Good bye.&quot; and then leave group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read this and thought about it a bit and then read it and all the comments again.  I have to say that I would disagree with your stance here.</p>
<p>When I join a dungeon as a healer, tank or DPS I&#8217;m there to play my part in the group and I strive to do so no matter how the others are behaving.  If I disagree with how people are playing, I&#8217;ll express that politely in party chat and then simply leave.</p>
<p>Someone else acting like an asshat does not entitle me to act like one too.</p>
<p>Most recently I was trying to do the pilgrim events and while trying to run to the table in Ironforge and Stormwind I was killed and corpse camped repeatedly.  I was frustrated and swearing and for the most part it ruined what would have been an enjoyable, relaxing morning of gaming.</p>
<p>I was pissed and kept wondering what made that fun for the players who were killing me.  There is little challenge in killing someone in full PvE gear who is just trying to do achievements.  Especially when you outnumber them 10-1 or more.</p>
<p>I went back to Horde territory and was sitting outside of UC when an alliance priest rode in.  I spun around in righteous vengeance caught her with a hammer of justice and then made ready to beat her into oblivion.  They had done it to me.  Why shouldn&#8217;t i do it to them.</p>
<p>Because I didn&#8217;t like having it done to me.  I was officially sinking to their level.  Acting like an asshat because someone had done it to me.</p>
<p>If you join a pug and don&#8217;t like how someone is playing, the politely ask them why they are behaving in such a way.  Be constructive in your criticism.</p>
<p>If they become rude or abusive, or just simply keep playing in a way that offends you, leave.  Be nice about it.  A simple &#8220;my apologies, but i don&#8217;t think that this group is the best use of my playtime.  Good bye.&#8221; and then leave group.</p>
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		<title>By: Thespius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thespius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lychoridia I&#039;ve rolled a horde DK just for that purpose =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lychoridia I&#8217;ve rolled a horde DK just for that purpose =)</p>
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		<title>By: Lychordia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lychordia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to kill him.  I did.  Mr. Impatient.  The kid with a potty mouth and a bad attitude and was afk for the first boss.  I asked to have him voted off the island, then he opened his mouth and said he was dc&#039;d.  /...  But, I was so used to PoM.  I kept firing it off, and dang it, it kept hopping to him.  Then I used CoH once.  Crap!  Maybe if I just flash heal.  20%.  I could only let him get to 20% before I couldn&#039;t stand it and popped a flash.  Darn it.  I am such a softy.  He ninja&#039;d the purple with a need and logged.  I wish I had a kill button for my own side sometimes.  Or could really push someone into fire or off a cliff or into cleave.  Is that dark?  Hum, maybe I should reroll a horde rogue.  HA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to kill him.  I did.  Mr. Impatient.  The kid with a potty mouth and a bad attitude and was afk for the first boss.  I asked to have him voted off the island, then he opened his mouth and said he was dc&#8217;d.  /&#8230;  But, I was so used to PoM.  I kept firing it off, and dang it, it kept hopping to him.  Then I used CoH once.  Crap!  Maybe if I just flash heal.  20%.  I could only let him get to 20% before I couldn&#8217;t stand it and popped a flash.  Darn it.  I am such a softy.  He ninja&#8217;d the purple with a need and logged.  I wish I had a kill button for my own side sometimes.  Or could really push someone into fire or off a cliff or into cleave.  Is that dark?  Hum, maybe I should reroll a horde rogue.  HA!</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/22/i-will-not-carry-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25137</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rogue in Occulus PUG I healed, the one who kept yelling GOGOGO before everyone had even landed their dragons, then ran off to pull the next pack of trash himself when the tank stopped to wait for everyone to land?

Yeah, he died.  Lots.  He kept doing it.  He was wearing full PvP epics, betcha he never had such a repair bill in his entire life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rogue in Occulus PUG I healed, the one who kept yelling GOGOGO before everyone had even landed their dragons, then ran off to pull the next pack of trash himself when the tank stopped to wait for everyone to land?</p>
<p>Yeah, he died.  Lots.  He kept doing it.  He was wearing full PvP epics, betcha he never had such a repair bill in his entire life&#8230;</p>
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