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		<title>By: Mort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m jumping on the bandwagon!  I&#039;ve had good experiences with the new LFG tool.  First time I used it, we did FoS.  No wipes!  Then, went into PoS.  Wiped a few times while I figured out the mechanics, then we were golden.

I do have to mention that the groups I&#039;ve chances upon are rather stoic.  No one talks unless it&#039;s boss strategy.  No joking around.  It&#039;s one of those, &quot;Get in, Get out quick&quot; kind of things.  At first, I was kind of taken aback.  I&#039;m used to being chatty and funny in /p chat.  However, the more I thought about it, the more I liked it that way.  No morons freaking out in chat.  If I needed mana, I&#039;d simply type out &quot;mana&quot; in chat and everyone would wait.  Then a &quot;kk&quot; would have us off again.  It was all business..lol.  And it was fun!  What&#039;s more fun than no wipes and some purple pixels?  

I&#039;ll save my quirky, funny side for guild events and bust out the business woman for the LFG tool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m jumping on the bandwagon!  I&#8217;ve had good experiences with the new LFG tool.  First time I used it, we did FoS.  No wipes!  Then, went into PoS.  Wiped a few times while I figured out the mechanics, then we were golden.</p>
<p>I do have to mention that the groups I&#8217;ve chances upon are rather stoic.  No one talks unless it&#8217;s boss strategy.  No joking around.  It&#8217;s one of those, &#8220;Get in, Get out quick&#8221; kind of things.  At first, I was kind of taken aback.  I&#8217;m used to being chatty and funny in /p chat.  However, the more I thought about it, the more I liked it that way.  No morons freaking out in chat.  If I needed mana, I&#8217;d simply type out &#8220;mana&#8221; in chat and everyone would wait.  Then a &#8220;kk&#8221; would have us off again.  It was all business..lol.  And it was fun!  What&#8217;s more fun than no wipes and some purple pixels?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll save my quirky, funny side for guild events and bust out the business woman for the LFG tool!</p>
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		<title>By: beefymccow</title>
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		<dc:creator>beefymccow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m late to the party, but I thought I&#039;d chime in too.  I love the LFG tool.  

As a healer I wait an average of 60 seconds for any dungeon almost any time of day.  I went from a 4500 gearscore to a 5020 gearscore in one weekend by getting full tier 9 (plus a trophy I had from a toc25 run).  

My only problem, and I know I&#039;m generalizing here, is that I have had the worst experiences with people from the Scilla server, probably coincidence.  One Scilla hunter was pulling 4k DPS, which is good but not great IMO and within two pulls he yelled at the tank to &quot;pull faster&quot;, then proceeded to misdirect onto him eventually forcing the tank to leave.  He then complained that the other 2k DPS players were bad and left.  

Also noticed almost everyone in the LFG tool is an enchanter, looks like easy money for us.   :)

And I love being able to go on mining circuits while queueing as a DPS warrior.  20 minutes of mining, new dungeon, requeue and repeat.  

Now if only I could get that Battered Hilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m late to the party, but I thought I&#8217;d chime in too.  I love the LFG tool.  </p>
<p>As a healer I wait an average of 60 seconds for any dungeon almost any time of day.  I went from a 4500 gearscore to a 5020 gearscore in one weekend by getting full tier 9 (plus a trophy I had from a toc25 run).  </p>
<p>My only problem, and I know I&#8217;m generalizing here, is that I have had the worst experiences with people from the Scilla server, probably coincidence.  One Scilla hunter was pulling 4k DPS, which is good but not great IMO and within two pulls he yelled at the tank to &#8220;pull faster&#8221;, then proceeded to misdirect onto him eventually forcing the tank to leave.  He then complained that the other 2k DPS players were bad and left.  </p>
<p>Also noticed almost everyone in the LFG tool is an enchanter, looks like easy money for us.   <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I love being able to go on mining circuits while queueing as a DPS warrior.  20 minutes of mining, new dungeon, requeue and repeat.  </p>
<p>Now if only I could get that Battered Hilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined a random the other day and got ported to HoL. Just as the instance loaded in the tank drops. This is when I learned that only when I&#039;m on my tank do I get a group filled in less than 10 seconds.

After about 3-4 minutes waiting for a new tank, the mage in the group says, &quot;who needs a tank?&quot; and starts pulling.

I jumped in, threw him a Rejuv and then fired off some Moonfire and Wrath. Right then, one of the other DPS drops.

With a smile on my face, and the first mob down, there is only me and two casters standing. So we just kept pulling, actually talking to each other as we coordinate sheeps, cyclones, and other CC to down each mob carefully. We ended up taking out the entire first level before we were left with only Benjamin to contend with.

As we&#039;re strategizing how to work him out, the two slots get filled in, all told about 15-20 minutes after I zoned in.

The rest of the run was quick and painless, done with military precision and hardly a word spoken. Until the very end as the original three gave each other /cheers /bows and /salutes over Loken&#039;s corpse before porting back to Dalaran, badges in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined a random the other day and got ported to HoL. Just as the instance loaded in the tank drops. This is when I learned that only when I&#8217;m on my tank do I get a group filled in less than 10 seconds.</p>
<p>After about 3-4 minutes waiting for a new tank, the mage in the group says, &#8220;who needs a tank?&#8221; and starts pulling.</p>
<p>I jumped in, threw him a Rejuv and then fired off some Moonfire and Wrath. Right then, one of the other DPS drops.</p>
<p>With a smile on my face, and the first mob down, there is only me and two casters standing. So we just kept pulling, actually talking to each other as we coordinate sheeps, cyclones, and other CC to down each mob carefully. We ended up taking out the entire first level before we were left with only Benjamin to contend with.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;re strategizing how to work him out, the two slots get filled in, all told about 15-20 minutes after I zoned in.</p>
<p>The rest of the run was quick and painless, done with military precision and hardly a word spoken. Until the very end as the original three gave each other /cheers /bows and /salutes over Loken&#8217;s corpse before porting back to Dalaran, badges in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson63000</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/10/it-came-from-the-p-u-g-3-3-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25027</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson63000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many commenters so far, I&#039;ve had awesome experiences with the dungeon finder so far. I&#039;ve run heroics on my disc priest main, mid-70&#039;s instances on the DK alt I&#039;m levelling, and also a couple of Scarlet Monastery wings plus Uldaman on a level 37 druid I hadn&#039;t played for, literally, years.

Funniest experience: doing Culling of Stratholme healing a blood DK tank who was quite ridiculously geared, dripping in TotGC gear, had his Quel&#039;Delar sword already, etc. After killing Epoch, I commented that between his gear and his self-healing, I&#039;d hardly needed to heal at all. He said &quot;yeah, a shadow priest would probably be enough to keep me up.&quot; Jokingly I offered to switch specs, and he said go for it! So we did the Infinite Corruptor and Mal&#039;Ganis with me shadow spec, in shadowform, just with vamp embrace and tossing some shields. Not only were they no problem, frankly, his health hardly dipped below 100%. 

And I&#039;ve never seen those two bosses go down so fast as with 4 dps and a DK tank whaling on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many commenters so far, I&#8217;ve had awesome experiences with the dungeon finder so far. I&#8217;ve run heroics on my disc priest main, mid-70&#8242;s instances on the DK alt I&#8217;m levelling, and also a couple of Scarlet Monastery wings plus Uldaman on a level 37 druid I hadn&#8217;t played for, literally, years.</p>
<p>Funniest experience: doing Culling of Stratholme healing a blood DK tank who was quite ridiculously geared, dripping in TotGC gear, had his Quel&#8217;Delar sword already, etc. After killing Epoch, I commented that between his gear and his self-healing, I&#8217;d hardly needed to heal at all. He said &#8220;yeah, a shadow priest would probably be enough to keep me up.&#8221; Jokingly I offered to switch specs, and he said go for it! So we did the Infinite Corruptor and Mal&#8217;Ganis with me shadow spec, in shadowform, just with vamp embrace and tossing some shields. Not only were they no problem, frankly, his health hardly dipped below 100%. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve never seen those two bosses go down so fast as with 4 dps and a DK tank whaling on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lodur</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/10/it-came-from-the-p-u-g-3-3-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25018</link>
		<dc:creator>Lodur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected!</p>
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		<title>By: Maaya</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/10/it-came-from-the-p-u-g-3-3-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25017</link>
		<dc:creator>Maaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lodur

You do get saved. Just go do one random heroic, then open up the Dungeon Finder and look under &quot;Specific Dungeons&quot;. In the heroics list, you&#039;ll see the one you just done to show a lock symbol, with a tooltip telling you that you&#039;ve done it for the day.

It&#039;s just that the Random Dungeon tool ignore lock-outs when making matches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lodur</p>
<p>You do get saved. Just go do one random heroic, then open up the Dungeon Finder and look under &#8220;Specific Dungeons&#8221;. In the heroics list, you&#8217;ll see the one you just done to show a lock symbol, with a tooltip telling you that you&#8217;ve done it for the day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that the Random Dungeon tool ignore lock-outs when making matches.</p>
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		<title>By: Lodur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lodur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@felade when you run heroic through the LFG tool you don&#039;t become saved to them. In fact if you use the tool you can actually get the same heroic multiple times and then still go do it with your guild later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@felade when you run heroic through the LFG tool you don&#8217;t become saved to them. In fact if you use the tool you can actually get the same heroic multiple times and then still go do it with your guild later.</p>
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		<title>By: Felade</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/10/it-came-from-the-p-u-g-3-3-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25015</link>
		<dc:creator>Felade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m finding its still impossible to find groups - apparently, all the tanks get saved to everything before I come online.  I used to sit half an hour in the queue looking for tanks myself, now the game just does it for me.

Still have to wait half an hour to run a dungeon.

edit:  yes I am a healer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finding its still impossible to find groups &#8211; apparently, all the tanks get saved to everything before I come online.  I used to sit half an hour in the queue looking for tanks myself, now the game just does it for me.</p>
<p>Still have to wait half an hour to run a dungeon.</p>
<p>edit:  yes I am a healer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nebby</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/12/10/it-came-from-the-p-u-g-3-3-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25014</link>
		<dc:creator>Nebby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wanted to get my pet so I did a lot of pugging the first few days.  I had some great experiences and some horrible experiences.  One of the best experiences was in a heroic halls of lightening run.  The tank we got had never even tanked before.  He didn&#039;t know much about tanking and wasn&#039;t even defensed capped because he didn&#039;t even know there was one.  Between my geared rogue and the hunter we had enough misdirect to be able to keep the mobs on the tank and our disc priest was great at keeping him up as well.  Having a group that was willing to give the instance a go and explain everything really reminded me about everyone starting somewhere.  Some of the bad parts for me were the fact that most of the runs I was getting I was doing half the damage because everyone felt that they should be carried.  As healing I have had even more horrible experiences, those are to the point where I only do the 1 for the frost and que with a tank I know from my guild</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wanted to get my pet so I did a lot of pugging the first few days.  I had some great experiences and some horrible experiences.  One of the best experiences was in a heroic halls of lightening run.  The tank we got had never even tanked before.  He didn&#8217;t know much about tanking and wasn&#8217;t even defensed capped because he didn&#8217;t even know there was one.  Between my geared rogue and the hunter we had enough misdirect to be able to keep the mobs on the tank and our disc priest was great at keeping him up as well.  Having a group that was willing to give the instance a go and explain everything really reminded me about everyone starting somewhere.  Some of the bad parts for me were the fact that most of the runs I was getting I was doing half the damage because everyone felt that they should be carried.  As healing I have had even more horrible experiences, those are to the point where I only do the 1 for the frost and que with a tank I know from my guild</p>
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		<title>By: Maaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started with mostly blues on my Balance/Resto druid. First day I was trying out the random feature. I got dumped into regular Forge of Souls on my very first random regular, as a healer with only three 219 epics. (The rest 200-187 blues.)

After a few more 219 upgrades, I started queuing for random heroics, and I found myself as DPS in most of the groups. No more of that feeling of getting carried because everyone else are doing 4k DPS in a heroic. I&#039;ve mostly been with people of similar gear level.

But I&#039;ve yet to see a tank with health less than 35k unbuffed. I wonder why. My prot paladin was barely 32k unbuffed with 213+226 gear. I was expecting to see tanks in the range of 25k-30k unbuffed, which would more closely match my gear.

But low level dungeons from Ramparts to Sethekk Halls still takes me anywhere from 15 minutes to 30 minutes to find a group. And there are frequently people AFK and end up declining the group. There&#039;s also more people not taking dungeons seriously at lower level. DPS running Northrend dungeons probably will find a lot of dps-spec&amp;gear &quot;tanks&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started with mostly blues on my Balance/Resto druid. First day I was trying out the random feature. I got dumped into regular Forge of Souls on my very first random regular, as a healer with only three 219 epics. (The rest 200-187 blues.)</p>
<p>After a few more 219 upgrades, I started queuing for random heroics, and I found myself as DPS in most of the groups. No more of that feeling of getting carried because everyone else are doing 4k DPS in a heroic. I&#8217;ve mostly been with people of similar gear level.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve yet to see a tank with health less than 35k unbuffed. I wonder why. My prot paladin was barely 32k unbuffed with 213+226 gear. I was expecting to see tanks in the range of 25k-30k unbuffed, which would more closely match my gear.</p>
<p>But low level dungeons from Ramparts to Sethekk Halls still takes me anywhere from 15 minutes to 30 minutes to find a group. And there are frequently people AFK and end up declining the group. There&#8217;s also more people not taking dungeons seriously at lower level. DPS running Northrend dungeons probably will find a lot of dps-spec&amp;gear &#8220;tanks&#8221;.</p>
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