Comments on: Healer DPS: The Good, The Bad, The Unfair http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/ Where healers come first Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:06:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Cheater’s guide to healing heroic Val’kyr Twins | FREE World of Warcraft Guides http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24968 Cheater’s guide to healing heroic Val’kyr Twins | FREE World of Warcraft Guides Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:38:01 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24968 [...] you’ll want your best ranged DPS there. As a healer, if you spot a safe opening and think you can do a bit of DPS without compromising the raid, feel free to do it. Raid integrity matters the most. Don’t assume that the 5 or so light essence players can [...] [...] you’ll want your best ranged DPS there. As a healer, if you spot a safe opening and think you can do a bit of DPS without compromising the raid, feel free to do it. Raid integrity matters the most. Don’t assume that the 5 or so light essence players can [...]

]]> By: Tankette http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24893 Tankette Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:31:06 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24893 If I am at near full mana and no one is taking much damage I can't help but throw out some dps. I have done 1500 dps in heroics without really trying. One of these days I may heal one in Shadow spec. And then how could I possibly resist Holy Novas during whelps in Ony? I can finish an Ony run with 1700 dps and all I did was Holy Nova during whelps. If I am at near full mana and no one is taking much damage I can’t help but throw out some dps. I have done 1500 dps in heroics without really trying. One of these days I may heal one in Shadow spec. And then how could I possibly resist Holy Novas during whelps in Ony? I can finish an Ony run with 1700 dps and all I did was Holy Nova during whelps.

]]> By: Qi http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24891 Qi Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:10:37 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24891 Completely unrelated to the topic of the post: I use Reader.google.com to keep track of new posts and then nevigate to them from there. The weird thing is, Thespius' posts always show his "signature" twice on google and only once on your site. Thought you might want to know ;-) Completely unrelated to the topic of the post:
I use Reader.google.com to keep track of new posts and then nevigate to them from there. The weird thing is, Thespius’ posts always show his “signature” twice on google and only once on your site. Thought you might want to know ;-)

]]> By: Angry Gamer http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24888 Angry Gamer Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:04 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24888 Man I would to see someone just go in holy spec'd and DPS an entire raid just to see how those numbers come out .-= Angry Gamer´s last blog ..<a href="http://angrygamer09.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/as-a-healer-do-you-ever-just-let-someone-die/" rel="nofollow">As a healer do you ever just let someone die?</a> =-. Man I would to see someone just go in holy spec’d and DPS an entire raid just to see how those numbers come out
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]]> By: Zatosh http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24867 Zatosh Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:41:55 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24867 The only time I am not DPSing while healer is when the raid is taking constant damage or if I know I need to conserve mana. I think more healers need to think this way imo. But far too often they are content to just sit there and throw an occasional heal. I pride myself in being top healer in a 25man AND top dps of the healers :P You bet your arse I'm rolling on healer loot. The only time I am not DPSing while healer is when the raid is taking constant damage or if I know I need to conserve mana.

I think more healers need to think this way imo. But far too often they are content to just sit there and throw an occasional heal.

I pride myself in being top healer in a 25man AND top dps of the healers :P

You bet your arse I’m rolling on healer loot.

]]> By: Josh http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24861 Josh Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:57:13 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24861 Haha this made me laugh. My Heal lead and I have tried to see who could put out the most dps when in our healing gear and specc'd for healing (he's a holy priest and I'm a holy paladin SHOCKADIN FTW!). Not a typical behavior and only on fights where we know we're not needed. Usually forays back into Ulduar. Haha this made me laugh. My Heal lead and I have tried to see who could put out the most dps when in our healing gear and specc’d for healing (he’s a holy priest and I’m a holy paladin SHOCKADIN FTW!). Not a typical behavior and only on fights where we know we’re not needed. Usually forays back into Ulduar.

]]> By: Wylson http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24856 Wylson Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:52:55 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24856 I’d have to respectfully disagree with the general sentiment of the original post. If you get a raid slot in my raids than I’m taking you as a raider filling a dps, tanking, or healing roll, not as a dps, a tank, or a healer. I see a very subtle yet important difference between those two ways of looking at raid slots. All healers are hybrids and to close yourself off to the hybrid aspect of your class strikes me as counterproductive. Especially when learning new 10 man encounters, those hybrid abilities can make the difference between dead bosses and wipes. When I heal on my pally, my dps is less than impressive, but that doesn’t mean I can’t provide benefits to the raid. My judgements provide health, mana, a movement speed debuff, and a small crit buff. Granted my hit rating is pathetic, but there are plenty of non-boss levels add around to harass. Holy wrath and hammer of justice are very effective on the Anu’Barak’s adds, reducing the healing I have to do. On Onyxia, I can sacred shield/FoL myself, taunt, and bring some whelps over to the tank. I play a paladin, so I’m coming from that perspective, but the other healers all have extra dps and other abilities they bring to the raid. I know that none of what I just mentioned shows up on a WWS parse or recount report. I hope that wouldn’t stop players from doing what they need to do to get the job done or get it done more quickly and easily. Wylson I’d have to respectfully disagree with the general sentiment of the original post. If you get a raid slot in my raids than I’m taking you as a raider filling a dps, tanking, or healing roll, not as a dps, a tank, or a healer. I see a very subtle yet important difference between those two ways of looking at raid slots.

All healers are hybrids and to close yourself off to the hybrid aspect of your class strikes me as counterproductive. Especially when learning new 10 man encounters, those hybrid abilities can make the difference between dead bosses and wipes. When I heal on my pally, my dps is less than impressive, but that doesn’t mean I can’t provide benefits to the raid. My judgements provide health, mana, a movement speed debuff, and a small crit buff. Granted my hit rating is pathetic, but there are plenty of non-boss levels add around to harass. Holy wrath and hammer of justice are very effective on the Anu’Barak’s adds, reducing the healing I have to do. On Onyxia, I can sacred shield/FoL myself, taunt, and bring some whelps over to the tank. I play a paladin, so I’m coming from that perspective, but the other healers all have extra dps and other abilities they bring to the raid.

I know that none of what I just mentioned shows up on a WWS parse or recount report. I hope that wouldn’t stop players from doing what they need to do to get the job done or get it done more quickly and easily.

Wylson

]]> By: Carlos http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24854 Carlos Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:07:41 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24854 The only boss I usually DPS on is ToC 25 Anub. The 2 trees, holy priest and pally, do a good enough job keeping the raid up to 50% that I and my fire elemental can afford to dps phase 3. I do however, keep a close eye on the raid frames and will interrupt my rotation to throw in a heal should anyone be getting too low, <15% or so. The only boss I usually DPS on is ToC 25 Anub. The 2 trees, holy priest and pally, do a good enough job keeping the raid up to 50% that I and my fire elemental can afford to dps phase 3. I do however, keep a close eye on the raid frames and will interrupt my rotation to throw in a heal should anyone be getting too low, <15% or so.

]]> By: Zusterke http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24853 Zusterke Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:18 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24853 My philosophy: spare mana + spare cooldown + sufficient control on the fight => dps If dps'ing interferes with your job, then obviously it's a bad thing but if it doesn't then there's nothing to lose with it. I've seen more wipes because our dps was just a tad too low or kills being close shaves because the healers assisted than I've seen wipes due to healers dps'ing too much. Even in hardmodes... :-) That said, I find myself only dpsing in farmruns we overgear or hardmode runs where it is part of the tactic. As a healer, your primary job is to keep people alive, right? Killing the boss is merely a creative way of accomplishing that :-) My philosophy: spare mana + spare cooldown + sufficient control on the fight => dps
If dps’ing interferes with your job, then obviously it’s a bad thing but if it doesn’t then there’s nothing to lose with it. I’ve seen more wipes because our dps was just a tad too low or kills being close shaves because the healers assisted than I’ve seen wipes due to healers dps’ing too much. Even in hardmodes… :-)
That said, I find myself only dpsing in farmruns we overgear or hardmode runs where it is part of the tactic.

As a healer, your primary job is to keep people alive, right? Killing the boss is merely a creative way of accomplishing that :-)

]]> By: Starets Sayas http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/11/30/healer-dps-the-good-the-bad-the-unfair/comment-page-1/#comment-24849 Starets Sayas Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:27:17 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=6708#comment-24849 I have this really neat little thing called a wand. Its short cast times and takes no mana. Granted, it doesn't do much either. But it makes cool graphical contributions and gives me the illusion I'm doing something useful in between healing times. (I sometimes contribute as much with my wand as I do Shadow Word: Pain and Devouring Plague.) Other than that, I'll throw my two instants, Shadow Word: Death and Penance particularly towards the end of a fight, but that's about all. All my other spells simply take too much cast time and I think its just fine if I finish a fight with a full mana bar as well as everyone alive. My guild seems to agree with me on that point. .-= Starets Sayas´s last blog ..<a href="http://myworldofwarcraftaddiction.com/new-must-read-for-me/" rel="nofollow">New Must Read for Me</a> =-. I have this really neat little thing called a wand. Its short cast times and takes no mana. Granted, it doesn’t do much either. But it makes cool graphical contributions and gives me the illusion I’m doing something useful in between healing times. (I sometimes contribute as much with my wand as I do Shadow Word: Pain and Devouring Plague.)

Other than that, I’ll throw my two instants, Shadow Word: Death and Penance particularly towards the end of a fight, but that’s about all. All my other spells simply take too much cast time and I think its just fine if I finish a fight with a full mana bar as well as everyone alive. My guild seems to agree with me on that point.
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