I know many who have gotten their 2 piece 245 and because there aren’t nearly enough trophies they’ve “settled” for 2 pieces of 232 for the 4 piece bonus. Which I suppose is fine but my guild has an issue where there are 15 regular raiders and 30 casuals/alts who come along too. Not to mention those of us that dual spec and dual spec seriously. So the tally is more like 50 sets. Which will not happen before 3.3 and there is no way to get more.

Considering my guild cannot do TotGC 25 yet that limits us to 5 trophies from TotC 25, 2 pieces that may or may not be used from Koralon and the 2 trophies that our 1 TotGC 10 group gets. So lets say 8 per week. If everybody were to gear up that would be 25 weeks (200 pieces/8) which is 6 months of Tier gearing.

I understand the pacing of 1 per boss per level which equals 2 per Ulduar Keeper but a “normal” group gets just as many tier tokens as a hard/heroic group in Ulduar while the “normal” group in ToC only gets 1.

I don’t think we ever had a T8.5 token go to rot. Someone somewhere would be able to pick it up for an off spec. Maybe we were just lucky with that.

Hopefully, ICC/T10 distribution will be less clumsy in how it is set up.

However, I feel my raid hasn’t had any real issues with the trophy system. At first it was: send a tell if you have the badges and you’re willing to break T8.5 4pc set bonus. Then it gradually just went to sending a tell if you’re interested. We handle the trophies just like any other item in that we look at loot received for main spec and the person lowest on the loot list will most likely get it. There are exceptions that weigh in like how well the person’s performance and attendance is. This past week I was the officer everyone was supposed to whisper for the trophies and I only got 4. Two were for the person’s 5th piece, one was 4 piece upgrade from ilvl 232 and then mine for 2 piece. I was highest on the loot list out of the 4 but I was awarded my 2 piece since I was the only one that didn’t have a set bonus and the 2 piece would allow me to use the other upgrades I had gotten in previous weeks.

We do run a lot of 10 mans and almost every one of our 25 man raiders has a 10 man that clears ToGC, so we do get a lot of our trophies that way as well.

I don’t think the system is perfect with only one tier upgrade per boss, but I think it’s better than the RNG of “oh look another Vanquisher piece”.

Recently we started raiding 2×25 since it takes us only 2 hours for Ony/ToC25 with casuals/alts as 30% of raid force. This gave immense speed up in gearing for our core raiders since this way 10 people get tier item per week instead of 5.

35-40 raiders with 10-15 alts gives you opportunity to split your raiders in two groups and gear up much faster for ToGC

Also, ToC10H drops trophies if you reach the tribute, so it’s not correct to state that they’re only accessible from ToC25.

Shoulders dropped from Yogg is a great example.
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I can imagine issues in a sole 25 men guild about trophies but no-one has mentioned effort.

The tier tokens in Ulduar required a lot more work and a much better raid then the trophies in ToC.

ToC has opened up an incredible opportunity for higher gear for raiders not so hardcore. And what’s the comment: we don’t get enough trophies we want more.

It’s never enough.

You can clear the place in less then an hour, why should there be as many tier awards as in Ulduar which takes you several hours?

Certainly for a 25-man hardmode guild, the 245 trophy income rate is extremely high, much higher than any tier income rates of previous instances. We have 31 raiders, so we run 2 normal 25mans (15 mains, 10 alts), we run 3 heroic 10 mans (2 Insanity runs, and the other has some alts filling in, it’s skill/mad skill). Between all the runs we net 25-27 trophies per week. Even early on they weren’t difficult to distribute. The first few went to tanks, and after that we opened up for tells from anyone who could buy the piece they wanted on the spot. Given that half the raid wanted glove/shoulder upgrades, and the others wanted to wait for hat/pants/chest, that reduced the tellspam immensely. Also, with only 15 mains in a raid, that cut the tellspam down. Also, given that some people were buying other things with trophies (rings, trinkets, relics, etc), it split the tellspam even further. Last but not least, we took tells for all 5 trophies at once, after Anub died, so we only had to deal with mass tellspam once per raid. All of this was relatively easy to plan around. Frankly, the trophy income rate is probably too high.

Regalia, on the other hand, with 4 per week, is extremely problematic. Frankly, I think there should be one regalia drop per boss in heroic 25man, totally a maximum of 9 per week. That would fit better with previous instance tier income rates, and it’s problematic that most of the raid will be deciding between 258 offset and 245 tier pieces. The 4pc bonuses for most specs are anemic enough that they’ll end up going with offset more often than not.

I think I have a bigger issue with the delivery rate of tier pieces in T9 than I do with the implementation. T9.245 comes quickly, T9.258 is anemic. The trophy idea is excellent, in my opinion. In Sunwell, we had 13 total conqueror bracers drop. Vanquisher and protector were being sharded. That was pretty frustrating. I think my personal preference would be if “Tier Leg Tokens” dropped from one boss, and “Tier Chest Piece” from another, without class restrictions. Blend the systems in the one way they didn’t try in ToC.