Comments on: Pass the Parcel: When Raiders Won’t Roll

By: sympton

sympton — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:51:32 +0000

I usually pass on alot of loot when I used to raid.. Now I just raid once every two weeks if I”m lucky. But when I did pass, I felt it would be better spent on someone who raided alot more and would just put that piece of equip to better use..

Now I just gear from emblems, I was hoping coming back to wow for the 3.3 patch I would find a cross server LFG for raids.. but not yet it seems.. sigh..

By: Ooke

Ooke — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:13:18 +0000

I can see why people hoard their dkp or whatever. I had wanted a weapon for the longest time but by the time the damned thing dropped (14 weeks later) I was so far in the hole that a rogue picked it up. I was a bit miffed as it would have been stupidly significant dps boost for me so I changed my tactic.

From that point on I started planning out gear and upgrades so I knew exactly what I wanted and how badly. I’m not to the point where I spreadsheet everything and declare BiS or some nonsense like that. After all there is no such beast for healing, there’s always a tradeoff though more progression minded raiders tend to eschew mana regen for other stats, that’s a whole other story. So now I know what I’m going to bid on and I pass up a fair share of upgrades for it because of the marginality of it all. After all there’s only so much DKP you can earn especially when sporting two incompatible specs that are used just as much.

By: Armagon

Armagon — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:13:11 +0000

I’m missing one more reason.
Well, technically it falls into the “hoarding” category, but I’ve had it at some points that I was the one grabbing every marginal upgrade, and in the end losing out double because my 5x small upgrade cost me 5×50 DKP for X increase and my competitor paid 1-2×50 DKP for X increase, just 2 weeks later. Additionally, I’m going to replace my 5 minor upgrades *again* in the next tier of instances, whereas he keeps his one item.
On the other way round, you can have bad luck, and “your” loot only drops on the nights you’re not online and then the guild disbands with you sitting alone at the top of the priority list
Just don’t generalize, I can see a dozen good reasons for passing as well as another dozen for getting upgrades fast.

By: Iratio

Iratio — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:34:33 +0000

Typically a number of us “in-the-know” will notice if player x doesn’t roll on loot y. The order is called out “, you need to roll on that” or “ROLL “. This yields either a roll or a reason, excuses are not tolerated.

The fourth reason from above and its mirror image (the pally who rolls on ALL plate – cuz you know, pallies wear plate) are the most difficult to deal with.

By: Arkaneena

Arkaneena — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:36:04 +0000

One thing I used to do is weighing old stats, and set bonuses. I have to say that for Holy Pallies the gear jumped the shark at tier 7 IMO. Every set since then has been… “You will take this new loot, and like it!” It wasn’t said exactly that way, but we were “patched” to prefer mp5 right after tier 8 came out. Meh good pallies found a way around it, well we deal with it anyway. (More Bubbles, more Bacon, and a Shock FLoT macro!!!) But a plus side if I could get those pants to drop for me I could raid in a dress. <3 /cheer
So it may be that he is in rebellion, but yeah if it hurts the group someone needs to talk to Homer. Plus we engineers love our goggles, again this isn't a player that needs a break. This is Blizz making the player angry. But really how often does getting mad at the creator really help? (And here by creator I mean Blizz.) You might feel better, but it doesn't accomplish anything.
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By: Jo

Jo — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:46:48 +0000

My impression is that having various versions of the same item (232,245,258) is making the problem worse.

People are waiting to get the 245 version of a tier item, but the number of trophies acquired has only allowed most of our guild raiders to get ONE item for now, and this won’t get much faster for a while.

I’m the guild banker and disenchanter, and I hate having to DE stuff like the 10 man version of Robe of the Sleepless (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47906) because they want the heroic version and don’t want to lose the T8 bonus.

Also, we use no DKP, just raider ranks with higher/lower priority: all roll and the only rule is you get one item per night, except of course something drops that no one rolls for at first. In this case I would much rather give a second item to someone than have the hundredth abyss crystal in guild bank.

If we have to go for the hard modes, tributes etc – we need to have the best possible dps/hps – and if that means having to gem and enchant items more often because you change gear frequently, by all means do it!

And I prefer people to have alternatives with gear – I rolled on a good pair of gloves that would break my 8.5 set bonus – and they’re in bank gemmed and enchanted, waiting my 2nd piece of tier 9 before I can retire the 2 conqueror 8.5 I am still wearing – if I had not rolled for those because no one wanted, I’d be behind 2 items and not one.

By all means – roll for EVERY good item you may want to use, but pass it if someone needs it more. It’s those purple pixels that make us more efficient.

Btw this is me

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By: Ularn

Ularn — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:15:43 +0000

I have been in two guilds who ran a loot council system. In both cases I saw the officers tend to pass out loot over taking it themselves. One of the big worries running a loot council is being perceived as unfair or biased to the officers, which results in them leaning the other way.

As a player under a loot council system I rely on the officers to balance out amongst the various raiders who desire an item where it would be best for the guild progression and keeping the raiders happy. It is very tough to do properly, there is always someone who feels hard done by.

By: Beverley

Beverley — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:46:30 +0000

I am kinda lucky, because I play a Holy Paladin i don’t have to fight with many others for loot so usually if a Spellpower plate item drops its either a yes or a DE thanks…

Instead of DKP our guild uses EP/GP. Effort Points/Gear Points, with a decay % taken each raid to prevent inflation.

It has its good and bad points. But it at least encourages people to spend their Effort points otherwise you lose them (through decay) after maybe 2-3weeks (Its abit longer now because we don’t do Ulduar anymore) and ToC only has 5 bosses + hardmodes.

I get screwed though because i can’t make it to the Wednesday raid on time and my guild clears normal 25man ToC in that time and i miss all the EP points from each boss kill

By: MP

MP — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:14:00 +0000

Most guilds I raided with insisted that on the class forum you posted the pieces you were aiming for. Generally a what I have now, an intermediate transition and a what I consider BiS for my spec/playstyle.

Being a full 2 tiers of gear behind is simply too far, its ridiculous. Its quite possible to sit close to 1 tier back on average due to itemization, etc…

If people are hoarding DKP then do they think that blizz should save everyone’s time and only drop the BiS for each tier and make that clearly better than the previous tier (Tier 1 and 2 were a bit like that and it sucked).

By: We Fly Spitfires

We Fly Spitfires — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:06:33 +0000

Bizarre. I would never pass on loot that I can use Maybe that says more about me than the Homer-types you mentioned I can’t say that I’ve ever experienced that sort of behaviour in the guilds I’ve raided with though. People usually know what they want and go for it.

Nice article.
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