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		<title>By: &#187; The Guild Princess Debacle</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; The Guild Princess Debacle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on World of Matticus, Lodur posted an article on the Archetypes of a Guild. Panties wound up in a twist, assumptions were made, there was much upset, the post was edited to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wowmomma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wowmomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, although I prefer to deal with these type of people, male or female, the same way I deal with all other issues:  head on.  Beating around the bush and hoping that they pick up on the clues isn&#039;t in my nature and it&#039;s the long way around an issue that needs to be nipped in the bud.  For instance, waiting for someone to realize that she&#039;s the only one talking in Vent while we&#039;re in the middle of a raid wastes everyone&#039;s time.  I prefer to call attention to the type of behavior they&#039;re displaying and tell them to knock it off and shut up.  I&#039;m a woman and I don&#039;t accept that kind of behavior from males OR females.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, although I prefer to deal with these type of people, male or female, the same way I deal with all other issues:  head on.  Beating around the bush and hoping that they pick up on the clues isn&#8217;t in my nature and it&#8217;s the long way around an issue that needs to be nipped in the bud.  For instance, waiting for someone to realize that she&#8217;s the only one talking in Vent while we&#8217;re in the middle of a raid wastes everyone&#8217;s time.  I prefer to call attention to the type of behavior they&#8217;re displaying and tell them to knock it off and shut up.  I&#8217;m a woman and I don&#8217;t accept that kind of behavior from males OR females.<br />
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		<title>By: Blackchine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackchine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people will not understand the purpose of this post, like my GM did, and he told me he read here, and classified me the way you did, specially because IÂ´m a female.
I will resume the history a little bit.
In my guild, after our GM left the game and gave leadership to hes Co GM, raiding has been really unpleasant, we get called names every single raid, such as: idiots, retards, useless, worthless,jackasses, etc
A total lack of respect towards people that are adults with family,job, and rl concerns, and play this game for the fun of it.

If we do a good job, we dont get not even a pat in the back, instead we get: about time, retards!

I lost my patience and trying to make them understand that treating us like that was wrong, I started to say on vent/raid chat how unpleasant was to be treated like that , and I actually got a feedback from the majority of the players .

After having a really bad time on our last raid I couldnÂ´t take it anymore and I went to talk to my GM so see if he could do something about it. He treated me really cold, and told me my &quot;Guild princess crown&quot; was about to be taken.
and he referred this post.

If you are GM with problems in your guild, use your common sense while reading this.
Actually, Lodur , please, I admire you a lot, and I like your posts a lot, so, one of these days, try to write a post about Blind GMÂ´s that agrees with bad behavior on officers, about respect, about actually taking care of people, specially when they are good players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people will not understand the purpose of this post, like my GM did, and he told me he read here, and classified me the way you did, specially because IÂ´m a female.<br />
I will resume the history a little bit.<br />
In my guild, after our GM left the game and gave leadership to hes Co GM, raiding has been really unpleasant, we get called names every single raid, such as: idiots, retards, useless, worthless,jackasses, etc<br />
A total lack of respect towards people that are adults with family,job, and rl concerns, and play this game for the fun of it.</p>
<p>If we do a good job, we dont get not even a pat in the back, instead we get: about time, retards!</p>
<p>I lost my patience and trying to make them understand that treating us like that was wrong, I started to say on vent/raid chat how unpleasant was to be treated like that , and I actually got a feedback from the majority of the players .</p>
<p>After having a really bad time on our last raid I couldnÂ´t take it anymore and I went to talk to my GM so see if he could do something about it. He treated me really cold, and told me my &#8220;Guild princess crown&#8221; was about to be taken.<br />
and he referred this post.</p>
<p>If you are GM with problems in your guild, use your common sense while reading this.<br />
Actually, Lodur , please, I admire you a lot, and I like your posts a lot, so, one of these days, try to write a post about Blind GMÂ´s that agrees with bad behavior on officers, about respect, about actually taking care of people, specially when they are good players.</p>
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		<title>By: Guild Drama at Righteous Orbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guild Drama at Righteous Orbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hunter, is a hot bitchy Asian chick who might look familiar from a certain Matticus article. She&#8217;s just genuinely [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have seen examples of all of these archetypes... who hasn&#039;t? Generalizations are based on broad enough observations that anyone could easily latch on to them. See what I did there?!

I agree that there are a lot of interesting and strange characters we meet while playing this game, but there are a lot of great ones as well. The bad tends to stick out more than the good, in life, in wow, in anything really! - it&#039;s human nature. However, I am quite a bit offended by this post as a female player that has not encountered a male that can outperform me at my role in game and that has always been a humble team player. I have been in some very good guilds as a raider, an officer and a healing leader. 

I think the one thing that made me so effective in a position of authority was that new people would expect the perky-voiced  female officer to be a push-over, but if need be I would call you out on your errors and any BS before you might have noticed your error yourself. They took on some of these generalizations about female players and I&#039;m more than sure I jolted them out of these.

I really wish I could have found a stable and successful raid environment to stick with, because switching guilds and earning respect as a player is hard for a woman. Women start at -5, whereas men generally start at 0. I don&#039;t mind working harder as it has made me someone to contend with in-game and in life, but I hope people reading these types of blogs will become aware of the danger and harm that comes from accepting generalizations about people. They prevent you from forming your own opinions and observations and are easily reinforced by even 1 bad encounter despite several positive ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have seen examples of all of these archetypes&#8230; who hasn&#8217;t? Generalizations are based on broad enough observations that anyone could easily latch on to them. See what I did there?!</p>
<p>I agree that there are a lot of interesting and strange characters we meet while playing this game, but there are a lot of great ones as well. The bad tends to stick out more than the good, in life, in wow, in anything really! &#8211; it&#8217;s human nature. However, I am quite a bit offended by this post as a female player that has not encountered a male that can outperform me at my role in game and that has always been a humble team player. I have been in some very good guilds as a raider, an officer and a healing leader. </p>
<p>I think the one thing that made me so effective in a position of authority was that new people would expect the perky-voiced  female officer to be a push-over, but if need be I would call you out on your errors and any BS before you might have noticed your error yourself. They took on some of these generalizations about female players and I&#8217;m more than sure I jolted them out of these.</p>
<p>I really wish I could have found a stable and successful raid environment to stick with, because switching guilds and earning respect as a player is hard for a woman. Women start at -5, whereas men generally start at 0. I don&#8217;t mind working harder as it has made me someone to contend with in-game and in life, but I hope people reading these types of blogs will become aware of the danger and harm that comes from accepting generalizations about people. They prevent you from forming your own opinions and observations and are easily reinforced by even 1 bad encounter despite several positive ones.</p>
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		<title>By: In other news&#8230; &#171; Fel Deeds Awake!</title>
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		<dc:creator>In other news&#8230; &#171; Fel Deeds Awake!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at World of Matticus recently.Â Â  Apparently, last week, a contributer named Lodur wrote an article that discusses particular sorts of guild members to be on one&#8217;s guard about.Â  All well and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at World of Matticus recently.Â Â  Apparently, last week, a contributer named Lodur wrote an article that discusses particular sorts of guild members to be on one&#8217;s guard about.Â  All well and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly recommend this article, as it addresses some similar issues:

Keep It in the Bedroom 

http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/44098.aspx
.-= Muckbeast&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/suck-it-down-console-owners-pc-gets-left-4-dead-dlc-for-free-but-you-gotta-pay.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Suck it down console owners! PC gets Left 4 Dead DLC for free, but you gotta pay!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly recommend this article, as it addresses some similar issues:</p>
<p>Keep It in the Bedroom </p>
<p><a href="http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/44098.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/44098.aspx</a><br />
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		<title>By: Seriously? &#171; Way of the Totem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seriously? &#171; Way of the Totem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] caused quite a stir over at WoM with my post on the guild egoist.Â  It got a lot of comments both good and bad. The bad tended to gloss over the content and focus [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aviena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aviena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for dragging this on, but:

@Xeonio:
&quot;If Lodur had decided to make this post about the insane raid leader, the asshole, the jerk, and how to handle them would you be here preaching against how the terms implied male behavior and that they needed to be replaced? I seriously doubt it.&quot;

You&#039;d be unlikely to find people complaining about that because, at least according to the last statistic I&#039;ve seen, male players are the majority in the gaming world. The majority can very rarely say that they have been discriminated against - I sincerely doubt that many men encounter difficulties in being accepted and trusted in their raiding guilds because of their gender. Why should men feel threatened if the words &quot;jerk&quot; or &quot;asshole&quot; imply gender specificity?
 As pandalin said, &quot;Top raiding guilds (at least in the past) refused to recruit female players.&quot; Have you ever heard that said about a man? I didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for dragging this on, but:</p>
<p>@Xeonio:<br />
&#8220;If Lodur had decided to make this post about the insane raid leader, the asshole, the jerk, and how to handle them would you be here preaching against how the terms implied male behavior and that they needed to be replaced? I seriously doubt it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be unlikely to find people complaining about that because, at least according to the last statistic I&#8217;ve seen, male players are the majority in the gaming world. The majority can very rarely say that they have been discriminated against &#8211; I sincerely doubt that many men encounter difficulties in being accepted and trusted in their raiding guilds because of their gender. Why should men feel threatened if the words &#8220;jerk&#8221; or &#8220;asshole&#8221; imply gender specificity?<br />
 As pandalin said, &#8220;Top raiding guilds (at least in the past) refused to recruit female players.&#8221; Have you ever heard that said about a man? I didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wowâ€¦a lot of comments. I read the original blog post before any of the comments had been posted, Iâ€™m a woman, and none of it really offended me at all.

Read more: http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/07/29/archetypes-of-a-guild-the-guild-princess/#ixzz0N7bkDchR&quot;

Its not about beeing personally offended. Its not like some commenters have suggested, that the only girls to complain are those who feel that this hit a bit too close to home. 

I think we have all met women that falls into the categories of OP. What we are refuting is that these categories are gender neutral, that these stereotypes are as valid for men as for women.
.-= Kristine&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kristineask.com/?p=97&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What makes a hardcore gamer?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wowâ€¦a lot of comments. I read the original blog post before any of the comments had been posted, Iâ€™m a woman, and none of it really offended me at all.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/07/29/archetypes-of-a-guild-the-guild-princess/#ixzz0N7bkDchR" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/07/29/archetypes-of-a-guild-the-guild-princess/#ixzz0N7bkDchR</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Its not about beeing personally offended. Its not like some commenters have suggested, that the only girls to complain are those who feel that this hit a bit too close to home. </p>
<p>I think we have all met women that falls into the categories of OP. What we are refuting is that these categories are gender neutral, that these stereotypes are as valid for men as for women.<br />
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