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	<title>Comments on: Goblins and Worgen &#8211; Neutral Faction (or a Third?)</title>
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		<title>By: Carrachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the plan is that blood elves will be joining the Alliance after the defeat of Arthas, becoming once again high elves and goblins and worgens will be joining the Horde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the plan is that blood elves will be joining the Alliance after the defeat of Arthas, becoming once again high elves and goblins and worgens will be joining the Horde.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreicht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreicht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the goblins could join the alliance and help the gnomes fix gnomeregan.</description>
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		<title>By: ZachPruckowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZachPruckowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have we conclusively established that they&#039;re Worgen, and not Wolvar?

Also, an argument against having them be available to both races is that it&#039;d make the language thing sorta silly.  Half the Goblins don&#039;t speak the same language as the other half?  I don&#039;t buy that for a second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have we conclusively established that they&#8217;re Worgen, and not Wolvar?</p>
<p>Also, an argument against having them be available to both races is that it&#8217;d make the language thing sorta silly.  Half the Goblins don&#8217;t speak the same language as the other half?  I don&#8217;t buy that for a second.</p>
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		<title>By: Elyxaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elyxaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they brought in a third faction, Blizzard wouldn&#039;t be the first to do it. Anarchy Online had a Neutral faction as well as the 2 opposing sides (Omni-Tek &amp; The Clans).  I&#039;m stretching my memory a bit here but I&#039;ll try and remember how it worked.

Neutrals could group with players on either of the other 2 sides (the opposing sides couldn&#039;t group together, same as WoW)
Neutrals were also allowed to go into the cities of the other sides without being attacked by guards
In outdoor PvP areas* Neutrals couldn&#039;t initiate an attack on either of the other 2 sides, but could fight back if attacked (bit of a nightmare for them!)

Maybe someone else with a better memory than me could remember more details :D

*There weren&#039;t any battlegrounds back when I played so I&#039;ve no idea how that would work if Blizzard put a third faction into WoW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they brought in a third faction, Blizzard wouldn&#8217;t be the first to do it. Anarchy Online had a Neutral faction as well as the 2 opposing sides (Omni-Tek &amp; The Clans).  I&#8217;m stretching my memory a bit here but I&#8217;ll try and remember how it worked.</p>
<p>Neutrals could group with players on either of the other 2 sides (the opposing sides couldn&#8217;t group together, same as WoW)<br />
Neutrals were also allowed to go into the cities of the other sides without being attacked by guards<br />
In outdoor PvP areas* Neutrals couldn&#8217;t initiate an attack on either of the other 2 sides, but could fight back if attacked (bit of a nightmare for them!)</p>
<p>Maybe someone else with a better memory than me could remember more details <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*There weren&#8217;t any battlegrounds back when I played so I&#8217;ve no idea how that would work if Blizzard put a third faction into WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Wangari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choosing your faction would be fantastic, but I really doubt Blizz will go that way, since they already stated being against the same race on Horde and Alliance side.
A third faction would be awesome, but way too hard to be implemented into the game, because you would be unable to level, since all leveling quest hubs have an allegiance. So youÂ´d have to create a whole lot of content to take you to max level.

If those two races do become playable, I think the Horde will be joined by the goblins from Undermine and Alliance will get the worgens from Gilneas. And these would be the 2 main cities on the Maelstrom expansion - enough of this Neutral City hub that lags everyone!

It would make perfect sense to me, they both get attacked by the naga and look for some help.

PS: doesnt the worgen mask scream Alliance to anyone else? They look like nice puppies!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choosing your faction would be fantastic, but I really doubt Blizz will go that way, since they already stated being against the same race on Horde and Alliance side.<br />
A third faction would be awesome, but way too hard to be implemented into the game, because you would be unable to level, since all leveling quest hubs have an allegiance. So youÂ´d have to create a whole lot of content to take you to max level.</p>
<p>If those two races do become playable, I think the Horde will be joined by the goblins from Undermine and Alliance will get the worgens from Gilneas. And these would be the 2 main cities on the Maelstrom expansion &#8211; enough of this Neutral City hub that lags everyone!</p>
<p>It would make perfect sense to me, they both get attacked by the naga and look for some help.</p>
<p>PS: doesnt the worgen mask scream Alliance to anyone else? They look like nice puppies!<br />
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		<title>By: Lychordia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lychordia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Felade - Nice work on the deduction.  A little pessimistic, but thought out.
My take:
How long did it take for the previous expansions to come out?  At least a couple of years.  And currently Blizzard has their hands full with Starcraft II possibly being delayed till 2010.  With the developers working hard to deliver that product, talent could be slim for any quality work to be done for our precious WoW any time soon.  If they could put the time and money into it, I would not guess to see any new classes for another year and a half at least.  Just my two copper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Felade &#8211; Nice work on the deduction.  A little pessimistic, but thought out.<br />
My take:<br />
How long did it take for the previous expansions to come out?  At least a couple of years.  And currently Blizzard has their hands full with Starcraft II possibly being delayed till 2010.  With the developers working hard to deliver that product, talent could be slim for any quality work to be done for our precious WoW any time soon.  If they could put the time and money into it, I would not guess to see any new classes for another year and a half at least.  Just my two copper.</p>
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		<title>By: Felade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should apply Occam&#039;s Razor to this problem.  Which of these events are the most likely, and most likely to improve the game as a whole rather than create more developer and player nightmares?

Some possibilities:

1) Goblins and Worgen (the two go-to speculative races for the next xpac - also for Burning Crusade before the final races were announced) Become playable races, one for the Alliance, one for the Horde.

- This would be easily done, we&#039;ve seen them do this before.  As Matticus pointed out, I don&#039;t think they fit very many classes well as they are currently presented in lore.

2) Goblins and Worgen become their own faction.

- This would be a HUGE, sweeping change to the way the game works.  How do battlegrouds work now?  3 sides? that&#039;s just one way that this would be a huge amount of work.

3) Goblins and Worgen may freely switch factions.

- Same as #2.  Also, Undead used to be able to speak common, and they removed that.  They like the faction barrier to be a big wall and not easily scaled.

4) Blizzard saw everyone going nuts over a new expansion, and trying to guess new races and classes.  They thought that these races might not really be a good fit as player characters, but since everyone is crazy about them, they thought they&#039;d add Halloween masks to cause more excitement and speculation.

- this is my personal favorite.  This whole thing smells a lot like their April Fool&#039;s jokes.

5) Blizzard wants to telegraph what the new races are, not by announcement (until Blizzcon, I&#039;m betting), and not by questlines in the game that hint at the arrival of new friends, but through the most anticlimactic and silly way possible.

- This just strikes me as a silly way to introduce content.  But I could be wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should apply Occam&#8217;s Razor to this problem.  Which of these events are the most likely, and most likely to improve the game as a whole rather than create more developer and player nightmares?</p>
<p>Some possibilities:</p>
<p>1) Goblins and Worgen (the two go-to speculative races for the next xpac &#8211; also for Burning Crusade before the final races were announced) Become playable races, one for the Alliance, one for the Horde.</p>
<p>- This would be easily done, we&#8217;ve seen them do this before.  As Matticus pointed out, I don&#8217;t think they fit very many classes well as they are currently presented in lore.</p>
<p>2) Goblins and Worgen become their own faction.</p>
<p>- This would be a HUGE, sweeping change to the way the game works.  How do battlegrouds work now?  3 sides? that&#8217;s just one way that this would be a huge amount of work.</p>
<p>3) Goblins and Worgen may freely switch factions.</p>
<p>- Same as #2.  Also, Undead used to be able to speak common, and they removed that.  They like the faction barrier to be a big wall and not easily scaled.</p>
<p>4) Blizzard saw everyone going nuts over a new expansion, and trying to guess new races and classes.  They thought that these races might not really be a good fit as player characters, but since everyone is crazy about them, they thought they&#8217;d add Halloween masks to cause more excitement and speculation.</p>
<p>- this is my personal favorite.  This whole thing smells a lot like their April Fool&#8217;s jokes.</p>
<p>5) Blizzard wants to telegraph what the new races are, not by announcement (until Blizzcon, I&#8217;m betting), and not by questlines in the game that hint at the arrival of new friends, but through the most anticlimactic and silly way possible.</p>
<p>- This just strikes me as a silly way to introduce content.  But I could be wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frijona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I image if they added Goblins as a playable race, it would be like the Trolls, in that most Trolls are hostile savages, aside from the Darkspear tribe that has aligned with the Horde. So there would still be a bunch of Goblins that prefer to remain neutral, except for the group of Goblins that for whatever reason decide to join the Horde (I&#039;m guessing Horde because I&#039;ve always thought of Goblins as being slightly more Horde aligned).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I image if they added Goblins as a playable race, it would be like the Trolls, in that most Trolls are hostile savages, aside from the Darkspear tribe that has aligned with the Horde. So there would still be a bunch of Goblins that prefer to remain neutral, except for the group of Goblins that for whatever reason decide to join the Horde (I&#8217;m guessing Horde because I&#8217;ve always thought of Goblins as being slightly more Horde aligned).<br />
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		<title>By: Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still betting on the Worgen being a a 2nd Horde Paladin race, and the Furbolgs being the 2nd Alliance Shaman race.  There&#039;s a post on Loregy that discusses this.

There&#039;s nothing to say that the Goblin Mask (or the worgen for that matter) indicate another race.  More likely they&#039;re just adding new achievements for people who got last years completed already.

And as for the Choose Your Own Faction idea, great in concept but Blizzard has stressed the PVP aspect will negate any intermingling of races.  Its also the reason I think we&#039;ll never see a factional Pandaren race.  You can&#039;t have them on both sides, and too many would complain (or transfer sides) if one or the other got them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still betting on the Worgen being a a 2nd Horde Paladin race, and the Furbolgs being the 2nd Alliance Shaman race.  There&#8217;s a post on Loregy that discusses this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to say that the Goblin Mask (or the worgen for that matter) indicate another race.  More likely they&#8217;re just adding new achievements for people who got last years completed already.</p>
<p>And as for the Choose Your Own Faction idea, great in concept but Blizzard has stressed the PVP aspect will negate any intermingling of races.  Its also the reason I think we&#8217;ll never see a factional Pandaren race.  You can&#8217;t have them on both sides, and too many would complain (or transfer sides) if one or the other got them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad I&#039;m not the only person who has long made the Goblin -&gt; Ferengi connection =P</description>
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