Comments on: How do You Ask Mages for Water?

By: Roary

Roary — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:07:07 +0000

I just don’t ask. I realize it is their materials, and if they make a table, it’s from their earned reagents (granted i think it’s just common courtesy and etiquette to provide everything possible in order to provide a better raiding environment) and that i can just as well buy and consume my own drink if needed. However, providing food and providing a buff I consider to be completely different cases. If you have the reagent to buff, then buff, I mean, the reagent is there so you CAN use the buff, and while people don’t always use the food, a person will Always benefit from a buff. I don’t tend to get on mages about buffs cause hey, I’ll live without 60 intellect, but pallies that refuse to buff just infuriate me, because thier buffs are so valuable to the raiding environment. It’s annoying to have to tell a group of 4 pallies, that at least ONE of them should give the healers wisdom, it’s almost as if they want us to oom and the raid wipe.

But, it’s just my opinion, (and I’m a priest who always gives his buffs out, no questions asked ;3 )

By: Aqweya

Aqweya — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:57:26 +0000

Since the cost issue was raised, how about asking why there’s no glyph to get rid of the material component for buffs? They can do it for ‘levitate’ and ‘slow fall’ – why not for the ones that matter?

By: Robbie

Robbie — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:19:44 +0000

We tend to have buffs casts multiple times, because we all like to make sure that everyone is set. The regents aren't prohibitively expensive, and I find it much easier to just buff everyone, even if most people already have fortitude or spirit. .-= Robbie´s last blog ..Coming Soonâ€¦ =-.

By: Dynasor

Dynasor — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:24:47 +0000

I’m usually one of the first in the raid instance and will summon a table as soon as at least half the raid is there. That way, by the time the stragglers show up or the really late people get summoned, it’s off cooldown and I can summon a new one (this also allows every person to take as much as they can). This is mostly because I hate single-conjuring and because I’ve spent enough time as the only mage in even a 25man. The cost is laughable usually, so I don’t mind summoning a table at any time, as long as it’s off cooldown. Same goes for buffing. If I or anyone else needs AI, then the whole raid gets AB, even if it’s only 1 person asking. Just makes it easier, because we all know if you single buff 1 person, 3 more will pipe-up right after you do (it also helps that 1 AB covers the whole raid now). BG’s are a little different. If everyone leaves me alone or someone asks nicely, then I will summon the table. For the most part though, I usually get several rude demands for a table as soon as I enter a BG. This usually results in me single-conjuring myself and friends biscuits, then lots of emotes about how great it is to be fully stocked on them.

By: Ymri

Ymri — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:53:50 +0000

“now before boss pulls, especially things like vezax I have the tank bubbled hotted and pomâ€™ed. if Iâ€™m waiting on people to click readyâ€¦ its repeat those and drink after. so yes, I really can go through 80

maybe its obsessive but iâ€™m a top guild and meh.”

THIS! As a paladin, I get a buff from casting my Holy Light, so I make sure it’s up when the tank pulls. and I don’t want to be down mana, since I’m always asking for innervate anyways (I’m not at top-teared gear, and I haven’t been raiding since the beginning of time, so I haven’t perfected my class/rotation/etc)

However, my first 60 in vanilla was a mage, my first 70 in bc was a mage, and my first 80 (in 7 days!) was a mage, and without doubt my first 90 will be a mage.

No one who reads Matticus will ever reply that they DEMAND mage water. Why? Because people who are observant, absorbent, and rational enough to read a blog about guild leading have already learned – don’t piss off the mage.

An old raid lead of mine was a paladin who would always ask very kindly for water, either over vent (where he used an adorable accent and called me ‘senorita’ often) or through whisper (where we had a little roleplay scene for a short time while I conjured a few more waters).

However, our raid was very casual and back then we didn’t have tables, so I got tired of the “why don’t I have water?” and “everyone’s buffed all we need is water” even though I had already spammed raid with “open trade if you need water” a thousand times.

When two other mages were recruited, I never did ANY conjuring. I was good friend with both and we were always summoned and ready before anyone else, so I had them conjure all the water and trade some to me – then I would help distribute it (IE “you take group 1 I get group 2″ style)… It was more gratifying this way – AND the other mages soon felt the same way I did.

I had amassed a small army of mages who would spam in /raid, “If you want water, I have to see a post on the mage forums asking for a soulwell for water.”

I guess it worked.

Haven’t ever handed out single waters to nonguildies since, even when someone has asked for it. Never. Ever. Will.

By: Lilivati

Lilivati — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:06:51 +0000

I take 80 biscuits…this is because I give away stacks to “that guy” when we’re about to pull and he’s like “uhh…table?” so the mages don’t stab him to death with their ornamental daggers.

By: Longasc

Longasc — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:52:56 +0000

I do not ask them. It is their job and their pleasure to serve me whatever I need to pursue my divine purpose to bring justice to infidels, heal the wounded and just to allow them to bask in my divine presence. This is not only true for my Paladin, but also for my Warlock, who represents everything what Mages could have become. They chose to become waiters and taxi services, it was their fault.

I am humble and generous, so I will overlook their fault and wait somewhat, to give them a chance to recognize the err of their ways and to atone for their sins.

For reasons I cannot understand some wretched Mages refused to serve me, which saddened me, as they are beyond redemption.

By: Dharmabhum

Dharmabhum — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:58:31 +0000

As a priest, I think I’m one of the best at buffing in BGs. You’ll never catch yourself in at the start of a BG in which I’m present without all three priest buffs. What gets me sometimes is that we’re all waiting for the gates to open to zerg and lose when someone says “priest bufs plz” when the raid’s half full and there’s a minute to go before the battle starts. Yea, devout candles aren’t too expensive but they add up pretty damn quick, so I remedy that by waiting to about 20 seconds to go before BG start to buff everyone: by that time the raid should be pretty full and you’ll regen that health quickly before you ever see combat.

Aside, my favorite part of being a priest is Fortitude. I absolutely love that Prayer of Fort is raid-wide and I use it often in BGs like AV. I have a few friends at a GY rezzing with me? At least Fort goes up. I’m running up to a large combat zone where there’s 20 people fighting? Yea, you’ll catch Prayer of Fort going up, even when it does put me in combat and I can’t drink again

<3 buffs… quit being stingy!

By: Amber

Amber — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:08:48 +0000

@DocHoliday

As a priest I must say I’m shocked by your comment that priests are the worst buffers in bgs. In my experiences I’d say a good 75% of the time I’m usually the only priest in a bg (maybe not so much so since I’ve turned 80…maybe decrease that percentage to 50%) or there’s like 5 of us. I know I buff at the beginning (and when I can throughout) and with multiple priests, I just find it hard to believe that we’re “stingy” buffers. The only time I get irate about buffing is when a 19 twink comes up to me and hounds me for my buff. Go buy some of the Rumsey Rum I put up on the AH and leave me alone.

Personally I’d say mages are the worst.

Back to the topic at hand, I sometimes think I’m just too polite to play WoW, haha. I always carry no less than 2 stacks of my own water, because I know mages are so horrible at buffing I always have a stack of Int scrolls, and I’d never stop and ask a mage to conjure water for me. Maybe it’s not a polite thing, maybe it’s just that I’ve learned to not count on mages, haha. Anyway, a table or feast of any kind never goes unthanked and is always really appreciated, but I NEVER expect it or ask for it.

By: Orcstar

Orcstar — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:13:36 +0000

In my time as raidleading the best way to get things done was call people by name.

Instead of: “can a warlock make a summoningstone” I said something like “Darkdemoncommander can you make a summoningstone?”

This yielded results much faster. Ofcourse I tried to not ask someon twice in a row and everytime ask another.

We haven’t had much problems with table but moreso with intellect buff.
Sooooooo when the mages couldn’t decide amongst themselves who buffed intellect when, I appointed 1 for the entire evening. And another 1 the next day.
A week later they sorted things