Botting mocks the honest efforts of players to achieve gold, rep or honor. It’s the same sneering attitude that you hear when people defend gold buying. “Why should I gather herbs when I can just slap down a credit card?” Because just like in real life, cheating cheapens the reward and it’s against the rules.

Play the game the way it was meant to be played, and proudly equip the spoils of your efforts.

Longstreet being a better General than Lee

Longstreet may have been one of the worst generals in the Confederate army and he may have betrayed Lee as well. It may be the reason he was sent out west.

Longstreet may have been a great brigade commander but as Strategist and Tactician he was not near as good as someone like Lee or the Union Generals Grant,Jackson or Sherman.

You can’t get paided for any more that what your entitled to or else it is insurance fraud.

When the insurance company does not pay for something it’s called watching out for the investors.

So this explot is utilizing a bug in the encounter but I hate to say it but blizz programmed in the mechanics, unintended as it may be it is 100% caused by blizzard. Deadly boss mods is more of an exploit an external to blizz program that makes stuff easier.

And oddly we won’t see blizz saying yea you totaly had yoggy till that bug wiped your raid here is the achievement and some loot.

And those of us who judge lets make sure that we did not stand in the water during the early day of wrath and the spark boss of VH or a new one I saw last night. during heigen phase 1 where you tank extreme front right and range is as far back and left as possible, out of the aura and the splash.

Sorry but lax testing is not justification for a ban.

Other than our interaction with other players, there is no morality in the game. Like tonight I will plow the ring of blood with my 80 hunter for a toon on my other account, it is a complete and utter exploit and not even a bug, so is that bannable.

World first in a virtual world are completly bogas, the bans make is seem similar to steroid and sports which is just so silly.

Ulduar is not the first raid encounter that guilds have exploited on, and subsequently gotten punished for. The TOS is very clear and explicit. It has been referenced several times in punishing players who violate the rules. For instance: do you remember the Warlock who soloed Hydross because of pathing and los issues? It’s just one example of many.

As stated in previous comments: Ensidia has come out to state that they knew they were cheesing the Freya3 encounter. They went in with the INTENT to do it, and did it.

There’s a well defined line between using an new and creative idea to beat an encounter and using broken game mechanics in a way that trivializes the encounter by bugging out a mob (as in the Yogg encounter.) Which is my argument here: you don’t seem to see this line. And that’s where I disagree with you.

The punishment is just and expected. You can call an apple a banana all you want, but at the end of the day it’s still an apple. Exploits are against ToS – it should not be a surprise to anyone.

About the Martin Fury shirt example now, if by mistake i send you a credit card with the credit card number instead of sending it to my wife, will you use it? And if you use it? Wouldn’t you think that this is illegal and will put you in trouble? Same goes to those two, who by the way, at least one said he knew that this was bannable and he was ready to quit.

About Ensidia and their some times “shady” tactics. Their big difference with Exodus is that if they find a bug and use it, they inform Blizzard and afterwards the community and dont claim “extreme luck” and hope that nobody will notice what they did. Simple as that.

In general, Blizzard sets the rules and we go by them cause it is their “Ludic World” so their rules. They might be slow as snails, but they tend to admit their mistakes and bugs, and if you dont try to play it smart or hide what you did, they tend to forgive.

That’s like receiving a million back in tax money, spending it, and when they come to collect say, hey I thought it was a gift…yah, right.

Exodus…dunno, I would never have done it their way, because simply said I would think it would’ve been an unfair way to beat the content, and I would never want the achievement like that, and definitely not brag about it going about it like this. (I got Hadronox Denied without bugging him for example, even though I knew about the bug, I simply refused to do it that way because the achievement would feel less of an accomplishment).

They used a bug, they knew they were not supposed to do it (yes, all players should know you’re not supposed to abuse bugs) did Blizzard act correctly? I think so.

They didn’t permaban them, they slapped them on the wrist, saying no we do not like this. Fair enough. It already wasn’t a fair way to do it.

Ensidia…ya know, this was not obviously wrong. It was obviously unconventional, and obviously not the way Blizzard had meant for players to do it. But the flowers followed, and the buff could be spell stolen, etc.

Find that last one a lot harder. I would have taken the achievement away, and said, sorry, well found, but this is not how we meant it to happen, here try again with a fixed version.
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