Comments on: State of Chain Heal, Lodur’s Thoughts http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marymoon http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-22197 Marymoon Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:20:33 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-22197 I will start by saying that I wasn´t replaced by our raid leaders by any other healer and I won´t be, the day I get replaced, I will simply /gquit, because I still pay this game to have fun, and shaman is the class I chose to be my main, and resto my main spec. Though I know this comment is after 3.2 patch, but it didn´t change anything for me. I do not get to heal the raid anymore, I can´t even cast a chain heal , few months ago I told the other shamans of my guild that we were now simple spot healers, with an occasional LHW here and there, because no matter how much haste I had, by the time I finish the chain heal cast, the raid was already topped off by the 13213132 holy priests we have, and they laughed at me, and they started saying that If I´m just spot healing its because I suck. Now they agree with me, and some of them even rerolled, while I have a pretty good geared feral druid and I was offered a full raid spot if I rerolled, I won´t. But Blizzard still need to reduce significantly the cast time of chain, because dang, I´m not a MT healer! I do not like to be the MT healer! but I´m forced to be! and I don´t want to! why? because when I heal the raid, no matter how long is my CH cast time, the raid won´t die, but the other healers will let the MT die. Then my RL will swap roles, and I MT heal, I keep him alive, while I watch the raid dying.... When will shamans go back to raid healing again?I´m looking forward to it, I don´t want to be forced to MT healing for the rest of my wow life. I will start by saying that I wasn´t replaced by our raid leaders by any other healer and I won´t be, the day I get replaced, I will simply /gquit, because I still pay this game to have fun, and shaman is the class I chose to be my main, and resto my main spec.

Though I know this comment is after 3.2 patch, but it didn´t change anything for me.
I do not get to heal the raid anymore, I can´t even cast a chain heal , few months ago I told the other shamans of my guild that we were now simple spot healers, with an occasional LHW here and there, because no matter how much haste I had, by the time I finish the chain heal cast, the raid was already topped off by the 13213132 holy priests we have, and they laughed at me, and they started saying that If I´m just spot healing its because I suck.

Now they agree with me, and some of them even rerolled, while I have a pretty good geared feral druid and I was offered a full raid spot if I rerolled, I won´t.
But Blizzard still need to reduce significantly the cast time of chain, because dang, I´m not a MT healer! I do not like to be the MT healer! but I´m forced to be! and I don´t want to! why? because when I heal the raid, no matter how long is my CH cast time, the raid won´t die, but the other healers will let the MT die.
Then my RL will swap roles, and I MT heal, I keep him alive, while I watch the raid dying….

When will shamans go back to raid healing again?I´m looking forward to it, I don´t want to be forced to MT healing for the rest of my wow life.

]]> By: Dale http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20888 Dale Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:50:10 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20888 the blue post http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/17619782879-shamanpve-is-blizzard-still-not-convinced.html apparently makes them look like George Bush. I have rerolled to shammy since the release of wotlk as change of scenery after dpsing for three years. I healled all wotlk dungeons and all raids until the release of Wotlk - yes something changed at uldar so obviously I had my healing rotation changed to suit boss encounter methods. Yeah i was surprised to see my LHW healing the raid faster than my CH since there is more control on targetting the hurt ones while my bigwigs reporting to me on what the Boss gonna do next. Also I now put only one totem: healing totem since there is ele and enhance shamans in raids. I like switching around with other spells to keep self-buffing/proc up though. I am allright with healing change but something is really bugging me "Wait a minute, am i a pala/priest now or what?" yes shamans are broken. the blue post http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/17619782879-shamanpve-is-blizzard-still-not-convinced.html apparently makes them look like George Bush.

I have rerolled to shammy since the release of wotlk as change of scenery after dpsing for three years. I healled all wotlk dungeons and all raids until the release of Wotlk – yes something changed at uldar so obviously I had my healing rotation changed to suit boss encounter methods. Yeah i was surprised to see my LHW healing the raid faster than my CH since there is more control on targetting the hurt ones while my bigwigs reporting to me on what the Boss gonna do next. Also I now put only one totem: healing totem since there is ele and enhance shamans in raids. I like switching around with other spells to keep self-buffing/proc up though.

I am allright with healing change but something is really bugging me
“Wait a minute, am i a pala/priest now or what?”

yes shamans are broken.

]]> By: State of the Resto Shaman | Shields Up! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20865 State of the Resto Shaman | Shields Up! Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:18:03 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20865 [...] The whole discussion began, when many prominent and vocal resto shamans started to more or less lay CH to rest. Sixthy does it (Source), Mek does it as well (Source). Of course a lot of shaman disagree with this healing style, partly because they don’t heal hard modes, partly because CH surely didn’t turn into a horrible spell over night (Lodur explains why). [...] [...] The whole discussion began, when many prominent and vocal resto shamans started to more or less lay CH to rest. Sixthy does it (Source), Mek does it as well (Source). Of course a lot of shaman disagree with this healing style, partly because they don’t heal hard modes, partly because CH surely didn’t turn into a horrible spell over night (Lodur explains why). [...]

]]> By: Lodur http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20858 Lodur Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:52:43 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20858 http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/17619782879-shamanpve-is-blizzard-still-not-convinced.html http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/17619782879-shamanpve-is-blizzard-still-not-convinced.html

]]> By: Layra http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20788 Layra Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:21:23 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20788 One addendum; I want to make clear that I think shaman are viable healers. I generally only sit myself when we have to drop to 3 healers for Hodir (the three being disc/holy priest/resto druid). However, a second resto shaman is extremely hard to justify in any healing comp for almost every hard mode fight. One addendum; I want to make clear that I think shaman are viable healers. I generally only sit myself when we have to drop to 3 healers for Hodir (the three being disc/holy priest/resto druid). However, a second resto shaman is extremely hard to justify in any healing comp for almost every hard mode fight.

]]> By: Layra http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20786 Layra Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:06:49 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20786 Something has to change for Chain Heal to be viable again. I'm in agreement with Vvodka, Meka, and others in regard to how relatively weak Chain Heal is. The inherent weakness of Chain Heal really doesn't show up well in fights where the aoe damage is heavy and predictable or on many normal mode encounters were you can bring 6 or more healers. Kologarn, Auriya, and Mimiron p2 are fights where Chain Heal can work to its full potential. I was extremely skeptical of moving away from my old haste heavy Chain heal build, but after experimenting and dropping almost 200 haste, I've been convinced that a crit heavy RT/lhw spec is the best way to make your resto shaman get the most out of his raid slot. When using 6 healers, or less for many other hard mode encounters its so important to let everyone fill their niche and maximize their tools. With a couple of good druids and holy priests in your raid, you are best off spot healing and letting them use their superior tools to keep the raid topped off. Steelbreaker last Iron Council more than any other fight I have done so far has convinced me that leaving raid healing to priests and druids is the best way to adapt to the class as it is now. Now, does Chain Heal need a buff? In a full Ulduar clear it is less than 10% of my healing done, so I would think it does. Something has to change for Chain Heal to be viable again. I’m in agreement with Vvodka, Meka, and others in regard to how relatively weak Chain Heal is.

The inherent weakness of Chain Heal really doesn’t show up well in fights where the aoe damage is heavy and predictable or on many normal mode encounters were you can bring 6 or more healers. Kologarn, Auriya, and Mimiron p2 are fights where Chain Heal can work to its full potential.

I was extremely skeptical of moving away from my old haste heavy Chain heal build, but after experimenting and dropping almost 200 haste, I’ve been convinced that a crit heavy RT/lhw spec is the best way to make your resto shaman get the most out of his raid slot.

When using 6 healers, or less for many other hard mode encounters its so important to let everyone fill their niche and maximize their tools. With a couple of good druids and holy priests in your raid, you are best off spot healing and letting them use their superior tools to keep the raid topped off.

Steelbreaker last Iron Council more than any other fight I have done so far has convinced me that leaving raid healing to priests and druids is the best way to adapt to the class as it is now. Now, does Chain Heal need a buff? In a full Ulduar clear it is less than 10% of my healing done, so I would think it does.

]]> By: AmIBroken http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20782 AmIBroken Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:46:22 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20782 > I still do not feel that in any way shape or form makes us broken or unplayable A shaman being sat out because his class does not perform well under given circumstances is a definition of a class being unplayable under given circumstances. > I still do not feel that in any way shape or form makes us broken or unplayable

A shaman being sat out because his class does not perform well under given circumstances is a definition of a class being unplayable under given circumstances.

]]> By: Lodur http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20750 Lodur Sat, 30 May 2009 19:07:18 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20750 @tarsonis I mean this with all niceness, please read everything. comments, the post and perhaps even my comments to you. I agreed that we aren't ideal hard mode healers and that a tweak to make us competitive would be nice and I think is needed. I still do not feel that in any way shape or form makes us broken or unplayable. I also agreed with Phaythe's assesment of using other abilities to give chain heal tools to compete with the burst AoE healing that needs to be done, but I stand firm in my stance that straight buffing of chain heal would be bad. Again I refer you to my first response to you. @tarsonis I mean this with all niceness, please read everything. comments, the post and perhaps even my comments to you. I agreed that we aren’t ideal hard mode healers and that a tweak to make us competitive would be nice and I think is needed. I still do not feel that in any way shape or form makes us broken or unplayable. I also agreed with Phaythe’s assesment of using other abilities to give chain heal tools to compete with the burst AoE healing that needs to be done, but I stand firm in my stance that straight buffing of chain heal would be bad. Again I refer you to my first response to you.

]]> By: Lodur http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20747 Lodur Sat, 30 May 2009 18:28:43 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20747 @sientina /wave wondering when you would pop in. wtb you come back now! @sientina /wave wondering when you would pop in. wtb you come back now!

]]> By: Sientina http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/26/state-of-chain-heal-lodurs-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-20746 Sientina Sat, 30 May 2009 18:24:57 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=5054#comment-20746 I would say he raided with a decent holy priest at one point :) I would say he raided with a decent holy priest at one point :)

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