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		<title>By: A Tree Druid In Any Other Form Is Still A&#8230; Resto Druid? &#187; Better Heals &#38; Gardens</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Tree Druid In Any Other Form Is Still A&#8230; Resto Druid? &#187; Better Heals &#38; Gardens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weapon Reflection, Glyph Based Appearance Changes vs. Non-Glyph Based Appearance Changes, and Show Forms / Don&#8217;t Show Forms Interface Option (Sydera of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sonissard</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/23/is-tree-form-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-20710</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonissard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dual specing my feral druid as resto and what&#039;s been holding me back is shambling shrubbery form. The model just looks bad.

I also find myself thinking there should be some inherent benefit to the cost paid for slow movement speed and loss of offensive ability. Perhaps a passive AOE heal? Given we can&#039;t move very fast it would limit the risk of OP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dual specing my feral druid as resto and what&#8217;s been holding me back is shambling shrubbery form. The model just looks bad.</p>
<p>I also find myself thinking there should be some inherent benefit to the cost paid for slow movement speed and loss of offensive ability. Perhaps a passive AOE heal? Given we can&#8217;t move very fast it would limit the risk of OP.</p>
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		<title>By: Antimoni</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/23/is-tree-form-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-20563</link>
		<dc:creator>Antimoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree, I never got further than level 29 on my horde druid alt simply cause I cant stand their cat form (but i have a 70 NE). I also havent been able to level a troll because I dont like how they walk. &gt;.&gt; 

Fun can come in different forms (augh didnt mean that!)... whether it&#039;s the aesthetics or gameplay. I think it&#039;s a valid concern for players if they dont enjoy looking at themselves, but they are kind of forced to by the game. whatever happened to those druid glyphs, for instance? They disappeared and we&#039;re still left with &quot;forms are being worked on&quot;. Even the temporary fix was taken out of druid&#039;s paws... errr. 

Anyhow, I&#039;m quite curious to what they may have in store. &lt;3

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Antimonis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.plaguechill.com/?p=413&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Light in the Darkness for DW?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree, I never got further than level 29 on my horde druid alt simply cause I cant stand their cat form (but i have a 70 NE). I also havent been able to level a troll because I dont like how they walk. &gt;.&gt; </p>
<p>Fun can come in different forms (augh didnt mean that!)&#8230; whether it&#8217;s the aesthetics or gameplay. I think it&#8217;s a valid concern for players if they dont enjoy looking at themselves, but they are kind of forced to by the game. whatever happened to those druid glyphs, for instance? They disappeared and we&#8217;re still left with &#8220;forms are being worked on&#8221;. Even the temporary fix was taken out of druid&#8217;s paws&#8230; errr. </p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;m quite curious to what they may have in store. &lt;3</p>
<p><abbr><em>Antimonis last blog post..<a href="http://blog.plaguechill.com/?p=413" rel="nofollow">A Light in the Darkness for DW?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: BobTurkey</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/23/is-tree-form-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-20562</link>
		<dc:creator>BobTurkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon all the druid forms could use a bit of a facelift.   A bit of variety would be good too.  Even if it consumed a minor glyph slot.

Even if they made the tree look a bit more alive and a bit less dead brocalli.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;BobTurkeys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bobturkey.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/i-have-the-powa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I have the POWA!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon all the druid forms could use a bit of a facelift.   A bit of variety would be good too.  Even if it consumed a minor glyph slot.</p>
<p>Even if they made the tree look a bit more alive and a bit less dead brocalli.</p>
<p><abbr><em>BobTurkeys last blog post..<a href="http://bobturkey.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/i-have-the-powa/" rel="nofollow">I have the POWA!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: T-Sonn</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/23/is-tree-form-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-20559</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Sonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syd - thank you soooo much for this!  I&#039;m for the Horde, myself, and that&#039;s part  of what&#039;s kept me from playing a Druid at all.  I loathe our cat form - why can&#039;t I be a panther?  Is it not enough I&#039;d have to be a cow instead of an elf?  I shudder at the thought of Moonkin form - who knew it could get LESS attractive than &#039;cow?&#039;  And the tree - gah - yes, please, I&#039;d LOVE a dryad/nymph/centaur.  Like one of the Daughters of Cenarius in Stonetalon Mountains...  you could sign me up today, if that was part of the deal.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;T-Sonns last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://meltedfaces.blogspot.com/2009/05/malarea-tries-out-new-sacrifice-spell.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Malarea tries out the new &#039;Sacrifice&#039; spell; merriment ensues&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syd &#8211; thank you soooo much for this!  I&#8217;m for the Horde, myself, and that&#8217;s part  of what&#8217;s kept me from playing a Druid at all.  I loathe our cat form &#8211; why can&#8217;t I be a panther?  Is it not enough I&#8217;d have to be a cow instead of an elf?  I shudder at the thought of Moonkin form &#8211; who knew it could get LESS attractive than &#8216;cow?&#8217;  And the tree &#8211; gah &#8211; yes, please, I&#8217;d LOVE a dryad/nymph/centaur.  Like one of the Daughters of Cenarius in Stonetalon Mountains&#8230;  you could sign me up today, if that was part of the deal.</p>
<p><abbr><em>T-Sonns last blog post..<a href="http://meltedfaces.blogspot.com/2009/05/malarea-tries-out-new-sacrifice-spell.html" rel="nofollow">Malarea tries out the new &#8216;Sacrifice&#8217; spell; merriment ensues</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Lissanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lissanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are really only 2 responses that can be made to GC&#039;s question:
-Is resto healing fun?
-Is the tree form graphic fun?

It&#039;s hard to answer is healing fun when the graphic is active... because it&#039;s the same as healing without the graphic (more or less).

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lissannas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Restokin/~3/uibP_2Ym018/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New UI: The same but differentÃ¢â‚¬Â¦&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are really only 2 responses that can be made to GC&#8217;s question:<br />
-Is resto healing fun?<br />
-Is the tree form graphic fun?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to answer is healing fun when the graphic is active&#8230; because it&#8217;s the same as healing without the graphic (more or less).</p>
<p><abbr><em>Lissannas last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Restokin/~3/uibP_2Ym018/" rel="nofollow">New UI: The same but differentÃ¢â‚¬Â¦</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Sydera</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/05/23/is-tree-form-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-20557</link>
		<dc:creator>Sydera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emiri: The question asks if tree FORM is fun. At current, tree form is not a different playstyle--at all--from elf form. All it does is reskin my character, buff my spellpower by 30% of my spirit, give a (redundant with our prot pally) buff to the raid, and lock me out of damage spells. Thus, I responded to the form--the shape, if you will. The art is possibly the most important factor in a game for me. It is what makes fun or not fun happen. For example, I can&#039;t play Lord of the Rings Online because I hate the characters&#039; faces. They&#039;re that middle point between cartoon and realism that just looks like a high school drawing class. Looking good is fun! I don&#039;t necessarily have to be beautiful, though it&#039;s a plus, but I prefer interesting-looking, changing over time, highly colored models. That describes any of the player characters, and none of the druid forms. I also think gender differentiation is a big part of fun. You wouldn&#039;t want NPCs to address you with the wrong pronoun, right? It&#039;s the same with the druid forms--there&#039;s a lack of verisimilitude if I turn into a male bear.

When I mention Centaur and Dryad, I know it&#039;s a pipe dream, but I&#039;m pointing out to GC that there are better models available already in game. No art design needed! And I&#039;m pretty sure there&#039;s next to no budget for druid forms, or they would have been redone with the outset of Wrath, when all the other art was being worked on. If you let druids choose among many different models in game, we would be totally happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emiri: The question asks if tree FORM is fun. At current, tree form is not a different playstyle&#8211;at all&#8211;from elf form. All it does is reskin my character, buff my spellpower by 30% of my spirit, give a (redundant with our prot pally) buff to the raid, and lock me out of damage spells. Thus, I responded to the form&#8211;the shape, if you will. The art is possibly the most important factor in a game for me. It is what makes fun or not fun happen. For example, I can&#8217;t play Lord of the Rings Online because I hate the characters&#8217; faces. They&#8217;re that middle point between cartoon and realism that just looks like a high school drawing class. Looking good is fun! I don&#8217;t necessarily have to be beautiful, though it&#8217;s a plus, but I prefer interesting-looking, changing over time, highly colored models. That describes any of the player characters, and none of the druid forms. I also think gender differentiation is a big part of fun. You wouldn&#8217;t want NPCs to address you with the wrong pronoun, right? It&#8217;s the same with the druid forms&#8211;there&#8217;s a lack of verisimilitude if I turn into a male bear.</p>
<p>When I mention Centaur and Dryad, I know it&#8217;s a pipe dream, but I&#8217;m pointing out to GC that there are better models available already in game. No art design needed! And I&#8217;m pretty sure there&#8217;s next to no budget for druid forms, or they would have been redone with the outset of Wrath, when all the other art was being worked on. If you let druids choose among many different models in game, we would be totally happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well maybe a bit drastic but one thing I always liked from warcraft 3 was the elf structures ability to up or down roots. Although this probably isn&#039;t the quick fix blizzard are looking for, I think this could add a lot of fun to the class.

It would of course require a bit of re-design, but I think if improved tree of life was changed to &#039;grow roots&#039; with a 2-3 sec cast or something similar, which gave somewhere around 200-300% armor, and 40-50% increased spell power from spirit, a lower cooldown on WG and possibly lower the cooldown on Tranquillity BUT also rooted the tree in place then it would make life as a tree much more interesting. 

It is of course a huge boost to healing whilst giving us a little protection to avoid some aoe damage or whatever, but the rooting in my opinion is what the tree form should be all about, sacrificing mobility for a huge boost to healing. The druid class after all is about utility at a cost, but I go into tree and as I&#039;m specifically healing, I don&#039;t think I lose anything really because I&#039;m not in a rush to use FF or roots etc. with a moonkin in the raid. 

I think druids should start heading in the direction of true utility where we&#039;re changing roles constantly throughout a raid, if my healing was only good while rooted I might use it on fights where there&#039;s not much movement but then go dps for another, the benefits and sacrifices of each form need to be balanced so well that we&#039;re almost forced to adapt to a particular fight in my opinion, then good druids who can play their class well and not just their form would start to be more beneficial to raids.

As for the aesthetics well I would again like to see some big changes right through the game. I think there should be various starting points throughout the game, not just 1 for each race. Each of these starting zones would allow different features or skin tones and give some basic background to each character. Also for druids depending on where you start, your forms are different, for example if you start in a place like winterspring, you get a polar bear form, snow leopard cat form, and a fir tree form etc. If you start somewhere like stranglethorn then you get palm tree form, tiger cat form, and maybe even go with gorilla tanking form?

Just some of the things I&#039;d love to see implemented in future expansions really, I wouldn&#039;t expect anything like this in a patch but I think they&#039;d be fun changes to the overall game as I think characters lack a lot of depth for an mmoRPG. 

*And no i&#039;m not into roleplaying and I&#039;m not on a roleplaying server*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well maybe a bit drastic but one thing I always liked from warcraft 3 was the elf structures ability to up or down roots. Although this probably isn&#8217;t the quick fix blizzard are looking for, I think this could add a lot of fun to the class.</p>
<p>It would of course require a bit of re-design, but I think if improved tree of life was changed to &#8216;grow roots&#8217; with a 2-3 sec cast or something similar, which gave somewhere around 200-300% armor, and 40-50% increased spell power from spirit, a lower cooldown on WG and possibly lower the cooldown on Tranquillity BUT also rooted the tree in place then it would make life as a tree much more interesting. </p>
<p>It is of course a huge boost to healing whilst giving us a little protection to avoid some aoe damage or whatever, but the rooting in my opinion is what the tree form should be all about, sacrificing mobility for a huge boost to healing. The druid class after all is about utility at a cost, but I go into tree and as I&#8217;m specifically healing, I don&#8217;t think I lose anything really because I&#8217;m not in a rush to use FF or roots etc. with a moonkin in the raid. </p>
<p>I think druids should start heading in the direction of true utility where we&#8217;re changing roles constantly throughout a raid, if my healing was only good while rooted I might use it on fights where there&#8217;s not much movement but then go dps for another, the benefits and sacrifices of each form need to be balanced so well that we&#8217;re almost forced to adapt to a particular fight in my opinion, then good druids who can play their class well and not just their form would start to be more beneficial to raids.</p>
<p>As for the aesthetics well I would again like to see some big changes right through the game. I think there should be various starting points throughout the game, not just 1 for each race. Each of these starting zones would allow different features or skin tones and give some basic background to each character. Also for druids depending on where you start, your forms are different, for example if you start in a place like winterspring, you get a polar bear form, snow leopard cat form, and a fir tree form etc. If you start somewhere like stranglethorn then you get palm tree form, tiger cat form, and maybe even go with gorilla tanking form?</p>
<p>Just some of the things I&#8217;d love to see implemented in future expansions really, I wouldn&#8217;t expect anything like this in a patch but I think they&#8217;d be fun changes to the overall game as I think characters lack a lot of depth for an mmoRPG. </p>
<p>*And no i&#8217;m not into roleplaying and I&#8217;m not on a roleplaying server*</p>
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		<title>By: Spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if your opinion differs, the cow form still shows gear, and is a million times better than a grumpy treeÃ¢â‚¬â€œat least in my book.&quot;

Each to their own :) But really, he asked if tree form was fun, not if you liked the look of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if your opinion differs, the cow form still shows gear, and is a million times better than a grumpy treeÃ¢â‚¬â€œat least in my book.&#8221;</p>
<p>Each to their own <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But really, he asked if tree form was fun, not if you liked the look of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Emiri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your reply to GC is completely ignoring his statement, &quot;Please do not over-interpret our asking for feedback. No huge changes to Tree of Life are on the way and we may in fact never change it.&quot; Replacing Tree of Life with a centaur is a huge change so obviously it will never happen unless the stated position reverses. You&#039;re just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I&#039;m not a druid. I&#039;m very jealous of the capability of resto druids but I do believe one of the reasons why I&#039;ve never leveled one is that I love my character and I love looking at her.

But I do think tree form is poor looking and could use a redesign. I think it would be more appealing to look like the ancients of Darnassus. The current one looks like a silly cartoon, not a powerful nature spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your reply to GC is completely ignoring his statement, &#8220;Please do not over-interpret our asking for feedback. No huge changes to Tree of Life are on the way and we may in fact never change it.&#8221; Replacing Tree of Life with a centaur is a huge change so obviously it will never happen unless the stated position reverses. You&#8217;re just setting yourself up for disappointment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a druid. I&#8217;m very jealous of the capability of resto druids but I do believe one of the reasons why I&#8217;ve never leveled one is that I love my character and I love looking at her.</p>
<p>But I do think tree form is poor looking and could use a redesign. I think it would be more appealing to look like the ancients of Darnassus. The current one looks like a silly cartoon, not a powerful nature spirit.</p>
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