Comments on: Frustrated by Ulduar? Here’s Why http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Elitists Podcast, Episode 11 - ZombiesWorld http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20345 The Elitists Podcast, Episode 11 - ZombiesWorld Wed, 13 May 2009 18:50:35 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20345 [...] Algalon Compendium: WoWRaid, WoW Insider Hunter Solos Utgarde Keep: WoW Insider Ulduar Difficulty: World of Matticus Ensidia is Recruiting!: [...] [...] Algalon Compendium: WoWRaid, WoW Insider Hunter Solos Utgarde Keep: WoW Insider Ulduar Difficulty: World of Matticus Ensidia is Recruiting!: [...]

]]> By: The Elitists » Blog Archive » The Elitists Podcast, Episode 11 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20161 The Elitists » Blog Archive » The Elitists Podcast, Episode 11 Mon, 04 May 2009 06:21:55 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20161 [...] Algalon Compendium: WoWRaid, WoW Insider Hunter Solos Utgarde Keep: WoW Insider Ulduar Difficulty: World of Matticus Ensidia is Recruiting!: [...] [...] Algalon Compendium: WoWRaid, WoW Insider Hunter Solos Utgarde Keep: WoW Insider Ulduar Difficulty: World of Matticus Ensidia is Recruiting!: [...]

]]> By: Tristan http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20040 Tristan Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:49:06 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20040 Great post. I found that in the raiding guilds there has been an exposure of the people being carried. To say the least we have had a lot of new recruits in the 2 weeks and 12 boss kills. <abbr><em>Tristans last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Zaptheblog/~3/qq6ldOERX4A/" rel="nofollow">How Tristan would do Val’Anyr</a></abbr></em> Great post. I found that in the raiding guilds there has been an exposure of the people being carried. To say the least we have had a lot of new recruits in the 2 weeks and 12 boss kills.

Tristans last blog post..How Tristan would do Val’Anyr

]]> By: Ot http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20017 Ot Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:42:47 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20017 I agree with most of what has been said, though I come from a 1st week Yogg guild. We worked hard for that first week kill, about about 20 hours to clear the whole instance (having to kill XT with all his trash up bc the GM's wouldn't despawn it wasted a ton of time...). Which is a lot of time in one week. 7 of those hours was on Yogg himself. A fitting end boss. Many of us have forgotten what raiding was like in the past. Pre-nerf Gruul. Kael'Thas the Guild Crusher. Lady Vashj the Impossible (that one was just funny). Weeks of smashing our heads against Morgim. And of course M'uru... This return to harder content is welcome in my eyes. I can't wait to start smashing my head against Yogg Hard and Algalon the Short Lived. So, good words Matt. And for the rest of us, I look forward to basking in progression, whether it be normal mode or hard (its Normal, not easy mode). This is why we raiders play. I agree with most of what has been said, though I come from a 1st week Yogg guild. We worked hard for that first week kill, about about 20 hours to clear the whole instance (having to kill XT with all his trash up bc the GM’s wouldn’t despawn it wasted a ton of time…). Which is a lot of time in one week. 7 of those hours was on Yogg himself. A fitting end boss.

Many of us have forgotten what raiding was like in the past. Pre-nerf Gruul. Kael’Thas the Guild Crusher. Lady Vashj the Impossible (that one was just funny). Weeks of smashing our heads against Morgim. And of course M’uru… This return to harder content is welcome in my eyes. I can’t wait to start smashing my head against Yogg Hard and Algalon the Short Lived.

So, good words Matt. And for the rest of us, I look forward to basking in progression, whether it be normal mode or hard (its Normal, not easy mode). This is why we raiders play.

]]> By: Laslo http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20013 Laslo Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:23:54 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20013 I am exceedingly thrilled with Ulduar. It was more than I ever expected after becoming extremely bored with Naxx. I'd say about 2 hours per boss ( on average ) is a good estimate. Even Emalon in Vault is refreshingly challenging, unfortunately you have to hear all the puggers cry about the difficulty. I am exceedingly thrilled with Ulduar. It was more than I ever expected after becoming extremely bored with Naxx. I’d say about 2 hours per boss ( on average ) is a good estimate. Even Emalon in Vault is refreshingly challenging, unfortunately you have to hear all the puggers cry about the difficulty.

]]> By: Riprap http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20012 Riprap Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:20:45 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20012 My guild is a little slower. I don't really have a problem with that. We've killed 5 bosses in Ulduar (and made what I feel is significant progress in Ulduar) in about 24 hours total. And no, we're not realm first, and we don't want to be. Thanks for posting a nice reality check here, Matt. My guild is a little slower. I don’t really have a problem with that. We’ve killed 5 bosses in Ulduar (and made what I feel is significant progress in Ulduar) in about 24 hours total. And no, we’re not realm first, and we don’t want to be.

Thanks for posting a nice reality check here, Matt.

]]> By: Garamonde http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20011 Garamonde Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:33:59 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20011 My guild raids a staggering 8 hours a week and we are having a great time in Ulduar. We are working on Freya and Thorim now and will probably have the instance cleared inside the month. I like Matticus's point "just because you haven't cleared ulduar doesn't mean your a baddie". Dark Pact is the top guild on server they are conistently good and raid frequently to boot. Remember progression rankings is only a benchmark make sure your enjoying guilded friends as you move through the content. My guild raids a staggering 8 hours a week and we are having a great time in Ulduar. We are working on Freya and Thorim now and will probably have the instance cleared inside the month. I like Matticus’s point “just because you haven’t cleared ulduar doesn’t mean your a baddie”. Dark Pact is the top guild on server they are conistently good and raid frequently to boot. Remember progression rankings is only a benchmark make sure your enjoying guilded friends as you move through the content.

]]> By: FredOzzel http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20009 FredOzzel Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:57:00 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20009 I myself recognize some of the commentary here as being quite valid, part of the problems are indeed the simple fact that people may have never understood what a progression wall was in the first place This is frustrating because many people get dispirited by such walls, frustrated, and instead of toughing it out, try to find "better" guilds because people are fundamentally impatient unless they've put up with these kinds of walls before and know what to expect. I myself have told my guild the same thing: other guilds have been clearing content on the PTR while we've been trying to catch up. Out of all the times we've had a chance to, my guild's only been on the PTR once trying to learn the content before it was released live. As Mattycus says, while there are videos and strats, there is always key information that cannot always be directly observed from such things. Unfortunately a *lot* of people believe reading or watching a fight is the same as knowing it >..< I myself recognize some of the commentary here as being quite valid, part of the problems are indeed the simple fact that people may have never understood what a progression wall was in the first place

This is frustrating because many people get dispirited by such walls, frustrated, and instead of toughing it out, try to find “better” guilds because people are fundamentally impatient unless they’ve put up with these kinds of walls before and know what to expect.

I myself have told my guild the same thing: other guilds have been clearing content on the PTR while we’ve been trying to catch up. Out of all the times we’ve had a chance to, my guild’s only been on the PTR once trying to learn the content before it was released live.

As Mattycus says, while there are videos and strats, there is always key information that cannot always be directly observed from such things. Unfortunately a *lot* of people believe reading or watching a fight is the same as knowing it >..<

]]> By: Ngita http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20004 Ngita Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:45:38 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20004 I am having a lot of fun in uldaar, sure 1-2 more bosses down would be great but its all good. I suspect some of the frustration was from before the bug fixes and nerfs. The Ignis we 2 shot for the first time last night when we didnt have time left for mmiron trash was not same ignis or even ignis trash we faced 12 hours after 3.1 release. I am having a lot of fun in uldaar, sure 1-2 more bosses down would be great but its all good. I suspect some of the frustration was from before the bug fixes and nerfs. The Ignis we 2 shot for the first time last night when we didnt have time left for mmiron trash was not same ignis or even ignis trash we faced 12 hours after 3.1 release.

]]> By: The problem with Ulduar is Naxxramas. « Fel Fire http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/frustrated-by-ulduar-here%e2%80%99s-why/comment-page-1/#comment-20001 The problem with Ulduar is Naxxramas. « Fel Fire Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:01:12 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4698#comment-20001 [...] I was writing this (in between SQL queries at work), Matticus posted a theory about Ulduar frustrations that has since been picked up by WoW Insider: Many guilds have forgotten what it’s like to [...] [...] I was writing this (in between SQL queries at work), Matticus posted a theory about Ulduar frustrations that has since been picked up by WoW Insider: Many guilds have forgotten what it’s like to [...]

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