Comments on: Ensidia’s Holy Priest Guide and Monday Links http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ceann http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20052 Ceann Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:25:13 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20052 @Veneretio: I agree, guilds like Ensidia probably can afford to keep their DPS better geared since they raid often, clear new instances early and change their roster around less than more casual guilds. This probably does lead to shorter fights. As Matt said the spec Poptisse recommends is very specialised, it's high HPS because it's all about bursting out AOE heals for as long as you can. In real situations for the average raiding guild, we have to deal with less than ideal situations a lot more often. I doubt Ensidia need to deal with going without certain classes as often as my guild does or needs their mostly raid healing priest to help out with tank healing just because the new Paladin is under-geared. As the article says, the rest of us need to be more versatile and well-rounded. This is still a very good guide for a priest who is still learning the ropes but people need to pick talents which compliment their own style. I believe this most important for tanking and healing because those roles are less about squeezing out the numbers and more about adapting to encounters and balancing different factors. @Veneretio: I agree, guilds like Ensidia probably can afford to keep their DPS better geared since they raid often, clear new instances early and change their roster around less than more casual guilds. This probably does lead to shorter fights. As Matt said the spec Poptisse recommends is very specialised, it’s high HPS because it’s all about bursting out AOE heals for as long as you can.

In real situations for the average raiding guild, we have to deal with less than ideal situations a lot more often. I doubt Ensidia need to deal with going without certain classes as often as my guild does or needs their mostly raid healing priest to help out with tank healing just because the new Paladin is under-geared. As the article says, the rest of us need to be more versatile and well-rounded.

This is still a very good guide for a priest who is still learning the ropes but people need to pick talents which compliment their own style. I believe this most important for tanking and healing because those roles are less about squeezing out the numbers and more about adapting to encounters and balancing different factors.

]]> By: cringer http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20026 cringer Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:53:43 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20026 The ensidia article is nice... but I'm definitely not going to take it as gospel. I think I do a fine job with Clique/Grid and using click healing. For her to say no one can do a good job at click healing is a little egocentric. I'd like her to at least post a video of her method in action before she says that a method that many healers use is inefficient. Maybe its because I expect a lot more out of the top guild but I think that her post lacked a lot of hard information and was filled with a lot of opinion pieces. Not saying the info is invalid, I would just hate to see everyone change their play style because of it. The ensidia article is nice… but I’m definitely not going to take it as gospel.

I think I do a fine job with Clique/Grid and using click healing. For her to say no one can do a good job at click healing is a little egocentric. I’d like her to at least post a video of her method in action before she says that a method that many healers use is inefficient.

Maybe its because I expect a lot more out of the top guild but I think that her post lacked a lot of hard information and was filled with a lot of opinion pieces. Not saying the info is invalid, I would just hate to see everyone change their play style because of it.

]]> By: tbot http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20015 tbot Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:06:41 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20015 I would take any theorycrafting out of ensidia with a grain of salt. They get through these encounters with skill and teamwork. Their guild's MT has often been disproved when it comes to his theories about spec and itemization. Being in the worlds top guild means they can get away with not being perfect in gear and talents, because they are perfect where it counts (alot of the time). Also, the pushing of HPS over HPM becomes way more viable when you don't have raiders sitting in aoe's. One of those things the average raider can't count on I would take any theorycrafting out of ensidia with a grain of salt. They get through these encounters with skill and teamwork. Their guild’s MT has often been disproved when it comes to his theories about spec and itemization.

Being in the worlds top guild means they can get away with not being perfect in gear and talents, because they are perfect where it counts (alot of the time).

Also, the pushing of HPS over HPM becomes way more viable when you don’t have raiders sitting in aoe’s. One of those things the average raider can’t count on

]]> By: HP http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20008 HP Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:22:00 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20008 Interesting that Ensidia priests gem for intellect like how holy paladins gem for it too... Interesting that Ensidia priests gem for intellect like how holy paladins gem for it too…

]]> By: pokayoke http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20007 pokayoke Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:56:44 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20007 @Veneretio: I have played Resto Shaman for a long time, but not in 3.1 yet. But the focus of Shaman has shifted. It is easier to heal single targets now and not run out of Mana. With Haste casting time of Healing Wave isn't as bad and Shamans should have plenty of crit (both from talents and gear) to throw out massive single target heals. I was never really comfortable stepping up to Tank heal in a raid but I found that Shamans adept nicely and with enough Manareg on gear they should be good tank healers. And with Earthshield being able to crit... and a longer ticking glyphed HoT - should be as good as a priest. ;) @article: thanks for posting this. It is always interesting to see how top end healers do heal in certain environments - and what they consider to be important. Of course in the end you should always try out what is best for your own situation. But it's always good to keep an open mind and not take this as THE formula for success. :) Keep on healing! <abbr><em>pokayokes last blog post..<a href="http://restlesstomb.blogspot.com/2009/04/nysir-noble.html" rel="nofollow">Nysir, the Noble</a></abbr></em> @Veneretio: I have played Resto Shaman for a long time, but not in 3.1 yet. But the focus of Shaman has shifted. It is easier to heal single targets now and not run out of Mana. With Haste casting time of Healing Wave isn’t as bad and Shamans should have plenty of crit (both from talents and gear) to throw out massive single target heals.

I was never really comfortable stepping up to Tank heal in a raid but I found that Shamans adept nicely and with enough Manareg on gear they should be good tank healers. And with Earthshield being able to crit… and a longer ticking glyphed HoT – should be as good as a priest.
;)

@article: thanks for posting this. It is always interesting to see how top end healers do heal in certain environments – and what they consider to be important. Of course in the end you should always try out what is best for your own situation. But it’s always good to keep an open mind and not take this as THE formula for success.

:)

Keep on healing!

pokayokes last blog post..Nysir, the Noble

]]> By: Zusterke http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-20006 Zusterke Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:57:27 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-20006 Surprisingly high level and undetailed explanation from Ensidia. They blissfully forgot to mention crit and its value in 3.1. Favoring MP5 over spirit made my stomach turn. Seriously... stacking int and then dropping spirit over mp5 is bad maths :-) The holy builds are good, but not flexible. Perhaps the dual spec system cancels the need for some flexibility but I think they take it a step too far. I suppose I favor utility over specialization. Surprisingly high level and undetailed explanation from Ensidia. They blissfully forgot to mention crit and its value in 3.1.
Favoring MP5 over spirit made my stomach turn. Seriously… stacking int and then dropping spirit over mp5 is bad maths :-)
The holy builds are good, but not flexible. Perhaps the dual spec system cancels the need for some flexibility but I think they take it a step too far. I suppose I favor utility over specialization.

]]> By: Jonis Jalopy http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-19995 Jonis Jalopy Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:49:06 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-19995 as said above, I think these "world first" type of players have a different view of encounters than the other 90% of the player base. Though, its a good read. With some tweaks to the spec and taking the advise with a grain of salt, I think all holy priests could benefit from this. Great and informative as always, Matt. Don't ever leave us :) as said above, I think these “world first” type of players have a different view of encounters than the other 90% of the player base. Though, its a good read. With some tweaks to the spec and taking the advise with a grain of salt, I think all holy priests could benefit from this.

Great and informative as always, Matt. Don’t ever leave us :)

]]> By: Veneretio http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/27/ensidia%e2%80%99s-holy-priest-guide-and-monday-links/comment-page-1/#comment-19994 Veneretio Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:30:26 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=4761#comment-19994 I think the biggest thing I've always noticed about all world 1st type healers is they really focus on HPS, most often favouring haste over just about anything. I think this is a symptom of the fact that their dps is so strong that the fights are so much shorter than a standard guild would be used to. I sometimes wonder if these player's views on gearing/specing would be different if they had to consistently deal with much longer fights. I found it intriguing that Shaman were considered better Tank healers. I've never felt this way and generally, find my own Shaman are really uncomfortable as Tank healers. Is this a shifted paradigm or have they been missing the beat always? (or more to the point, have we missed out on how we should be assigning them in fights?) <abbr><em>Veneretios last blog post..<a href="http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/04/23/the-art-of-warbringer/" rel="nofollow">The Art of Warbringer</a></abbr></em> I think the biggest thing I’ve always noticed about all world 1st type healers is they really focus on HPS, most often favouring haste over just about anything. I think this is a symptom of the fact that their dps is so strong that the fights are so much shorter than a standard guild would be used to. I sometimes wonder if these player’s views on gearing/specing would be different if they had to consistently deal with much longer fights.

I found it intriguing that Shaman were considered better Tank healers. I’ve never felt this way and generally, find my own Shaman are really uncomfortable as Tank healers. Is this a shifted paradigm or have they been missing the beat always? (or more to the point, have we missed out on how we should be assigning them in fights?)

Veneretios last blog post..The Art of Warbringer

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