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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: flame leviathan

are you fighting the same flame leviathan i&#039;m fighting?</description>
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<p>are you fighting the same flame leviathan i&#8217;m fighting?</p>
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		<title>By: Change we can complain about..maybe. &#171; For the Horde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Change we can complain about..maybe. &#171; For the Horde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sure, healers had to change their healing spells a bit. But from everything I read on 4Haelz and World of Matticus every thing seems to be okay&#8230;perhaps not what it was, but was it too much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sure, healers had to change their healing spells a bit. But from everything I read on 4Haelz and World of Matticus every thing seems to be okay&#8230;perhaps not what it was, but was it too much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in ulduar are pally healers going  to be  one of the healers that are under the rest of the healers ? like restore shammies and tree always out heal me, and i was wondering what i can do to out heal them in ulduar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in ulduar are pally healers going  to be  one of the healers that are under the rest of the healers ? like restore shammies and tree always out heal me, and i was wondering what i can do to out heal them in ulduar!</p>
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		<title>By: Ark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all: Sorry about my crappy English ^    ^

I&#039;m a Holly Paladin, and a MT healer.
Well, its seems some like....obvious.
Holly Paladin = MT healer
But the thing its...I can&#039;t don any other role in the raid. Not without doing it under the...how to say that....Ã‚Â¿underpowered? Juts compared to Druid, Shamans, etc...

But the thing its that the MT healer role, my role...i&#039;m the only class capable of do it at my level. (Well, maybe a Priest Disci ^    ^)
I&#039;m healing about 15k every 2 seconds, and my manÃƒÂ¡ keeps flowing until the end.
The rest of classes cat keep up with that,
That&#039;s our power. And I&#039;m happy with it.
I can do my job....a really important role....and the raid win.

I&#039;ll be really really happy with a AoE XD Ã‚Â¡Who&#039;s not!
Maybe a ability in the holly talents who make consecration heal and do damage...Ã‚Â¡something like that!

The thing it&#039;s than many bosses in Ulduar let us regenerate our manÃƒÂ¡ pool over and over again.
Some kind of unlimited mana supply.
With that, and the massive healing (and overhealing XD) of HL, we can do a job that only we can do.
And im fine with that ^    ^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all: Sorry about my crappy English ^    ^</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Holly Paladin, and a MT healer.<br />
Well, its seems some like&#8230;.obvious.<br />
Holly Paladin = MT healer<br />
But the thing its&#8230;I can&#8217;t don any other role in the raid. Not without doing it under the&#8230;how to say that&#8230;.Ã‚Â¿underpowered? Juts compared to Druid, Shamans, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>But the thing its that the MT healer role, my role&#8230;i&#8217;m the only class capable of do it at my level. (Well, maybe a Priest Disci ^    ^)<br />
I&#8217;m healing about 15k every 2 seconds, and my manÃƒÂ¡ keeps flowing until the end.<br />
The rest of classes cat keep up with that,<br />
That&#8217;s our power. And I&#8217;m happy with it.<br />
I can do my job&#8230;.a really important role&#8230;.and the raid win.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be really really happy with a AoE XD Ã‚Â¡Who&#8217;s not!<br />
Maybe a ability in the holly talents who make consecration heal and do damage&#8230;Ã‚Â¡something like that!</p>
<p>The thing it&#8217;s than many bosses in Ulduar let us regenerate our manÃƒÂ¡ pool over and over again.<br />
Some kind of unlimited mana supply.<br />
With that, and the massive healing (and overhealing XD) of HL, we can do a job that only we can do.<br />
And im fine with that ^    ^</p>
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		<title>By: Brique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re currently stuck on XT. &gt;:[

This guild worked blissfully through Naxx. We had no problems with OS+2 but never got the full three drakes. We did everything else. H8 @ [Glory of the Raider].
 
My Holy Paladin is sitting on some of the best available gear from pre-Ulduar, and so is about 3/4s of the guild, but we&#039;re complete idiots! The problem *is* with the healing team. It&#039;s really sad to look at the healing meters and try to determine if someone was even healing their assigned target.

I really like what you&#039;re doing with your second Healy Paladin. I haven&#039;t had the privilege of being with my usual partner for the content, so I&#039;ve been frustrated with a geared and competent partner that I&#039;ve never worked with before. He really enjoys sniping raid heals. It&#039;s a problem. 

I&#039;m trying to tell our healing lead that it&#039;s a problem with a whole lot of the raid. He&#039;s very touchy. He refuses to look at what WWS and Recount would say. We don&#039;t have a balanced raid composition. We run with 3 Resto Druids, 0 Healy Priests, 2 Holy Paladins, and 1.5 Resto Shaman. In practice, our druids fill in roles very nicely. 

When a 4th Resto Druid volunteered during our XT attempts, we brought her in and threw my partner back to his normal Retribution Spec, I coordinated wonderfully with her between XT&#039;s melee swings. To my knowledge, no other healer has even attempted to coordinate yet. :[

In 10man content, I&#039;m brute-forcing my healing all over the raid. With no second paladin to mess up my Beacon of Light target, I&#039;m letting myself just go bonkers with sniping heals and tunnel-visioning on my raid frame. The 10man content is very forgiving, and I just can&#039;t trust even our ATEAM healing group to push through some encounters. 

During Flame Leviathan, I haven&#039;t been thrown out yet. I&#039;m just &quot;too good&quot; on the shield/mortaring. 

For Razorscale, I&#039;m given a tank on either the right or left and allowed to FoL spam my way through a fun fight. 

No Ignis attempts on Heroic Ulduar yet. 

On XT-002, I&#039;m given the lovely task of healing the MT between melee swings, and then proceeding to lay down the ultrahot Seal of Wisdom mana regen during the heart phase for 30 seconds straight. Coordination with the second healer assigned is so crucial!

(10man) Assembly of Iron involves dispelling the Rune Punch on the &quot;big guy&quot; tank. We do Big/Medium/Midget for our kill order. If the tank is a paladin, I can relax and heal up the massive burst of damage the boss can slap onto the tank. If not, well I need a second healer to cover me while I get the debuff cleansed. (Maybe I&#039;m a weak healer. :X) The rest of the encounter it&#039;s straight forward &quot;don&#039;t range your tank/healer and run from stuff.

(10man) Kologarn. Oh. My. God.  (10man) Kologarn. Easy stuff as long as DPS realize that ledge in front of his face does not have a guardrail. We kill the right arm, to avoid the grips. Healers swap to whoever he grabs until it gets chopped off. Paladins are well suited to throw a Holy Light onto the victim, and with the OT and the MT often very close to this arm, Beacon is in full effect. We switch tanks when the MT has the debuff up to 3 stacks, and the OT takes the adds and the boss for a few seconds. This switch is pretty easy to handle.

Auriaya isn&#039;t too complicated. Brute force tank healing. Healing whoever gets pounced is a raidhealer job. I avoid the assignment gracefully.

Freya (easymode) -- I&#039;m using Aura Mastery during the silence while I run for a mushroom. I tend to scream this over Vent, too. The other phases are simple tankhealing bruteforce affairs.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re currently stuck on XT. &gt;:[</p>
<p>This guild worked blissfully through Naxx. We had no problems with OS+2 but never got the full three drakes. We did everything else. H8 @ [Glory of the Raider].</p>
<p>My Holy Paladin is sitting on some of the best available gear from pre-Ulduar, and so is about 3/4s of the guild, but we&#8217;re complete idiots! The problem *is* with the healing team. It&#8217;s really sad to look at the healing meters and try to determine if someone was even healing their assigned target.</p>
<p>I really like what you&#8217;re doing with your second Healy Paladin. I haven&#8217;t had the privilege of being with my usual partner for the content, so I&#8217;ve been frustrated with a geared and competent partner that I&#8217;ve never worked with before. He really enjoys sniping raid heals. It&#8217;s a problem. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to tell our healing lead that it&#8217;s a problem with a whole lot of the raid. He&#8217;s very touchy. He refuses to look at what WWS and Recount would say. We don&#8217;t have a balanced raid composition. We run with 3 Resto Druids, 0 Healy Priests, 2 Holy Paladins, and 1.5 Resto Shaman. In practice, our druids fill in roles very nicely. </p>
<p>When a 4th Resto Druid volunteered during our XT attempts, we brought her in and threw my partner back to his normal Retribution Spec, I coordinated wonderfully with her between XT&#8217;s melee swings. To my knowledge, no other healer has even attempted to coordinate yet. :[</p>
<p>In 10man content, I&#8217;m brute-forcing my healing all over the raid. With no second paladin to mess up my Beacon of Light target, I&#8217;m letting myself just go bonkers with sniping heals and tunnel-visioning on my raid frame. The 10man content is very forgiving, and I just can&#8217;t trust even our ATEAM healing group to push through some encounters. </p>
<p>During Flame Leviathan, I haven&#8217;t been thrown out yet. I&#8217;m just &#8220;too good&#8221; on the shield/mortaring. </p>
<p>For Razorscale, I&#8217;m given a tank on either the right or left and allowed to FoL spam my way through a fun fight. </p>
<p>No Ignis attempts on Heroic Ulduar yet. </p>
<p>On XT-002, I&#8217;m given the lovely task of healing the MT between melee swings, and then proceeding to lay down the ultrahot Seal of Wisdom mana regen during the heart phase for 30 seconds straight. Coordination with the second healer assigned is so crucial!</p>
<p>(10man) Assembly of Iron involves dispelling the Rune Punch on the &#8220;big guy&#8221; tank. We do Big/Medium/Midget for our kill order. If the tank is a paladin, I can relax and heal up the massive burst of damage the boss can slap onto the tank. If not, well I need a second healer to cover me while I get the debuff cleansed. (Maybe I&#8217;m a weak healer. :X) The rest of the encounter it&#8217;s straight forward &#8220;don&#8217;t range your tank/healer and run from stuff.</p>
<p>(10man) Kologarn. Oh. My. God.  (10man) Kologarn. Easy stuff as long as DPS realize that ledge in front of his face does not have a guardrail. We kill the right arm, to avoid the grips. Healers swap to whoever he grabs until it gets chopped off. Paladins are well suited to throw a Holy Light onto the victim, and with the OT and the MT often very close to this arm, Beacon is in full effect. We switch tanks when the MT has the debuff up to 3 stacks, and the OT takes the adds and the boss for a few seconds. This switch is pretty easy to handle.</p>
<p>Auriaya isn&#8217;t too complicated. Brute force tank healing. Healing whoever gets pounced is a raidhealer job. I avoid the assignment gracefully.</p>
<p>Freya (easymode) &#8212; I&#8217;m using Aura Mastery during the silence while I run for a mushroom. I tend to scream this over Vent, too. The other phases are simple tankhealing bruteforce affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Celton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t done 25-man Ulduar, but I don&#039;t have any problem healing 10-man Ulduar as a Holy Paladin.  You people complaining about your Flash of Lights being so weak and not being able to raid heal should try stacking Spell Power instead of Intellect.  I can raid heal in Ulduar-10 with no problem while keeping up a tank at the same time.  Holy Shock and Flash of Light synergy is amazing.  Sure, you can pump out more HPS with Holy Light, but who cares if people are still dying?  You need to use Holy Shock and Flash of Light to take care of all the burst damage.  It usually only takes one Shock and a Flash for me to top off non-tank, and I can do that instantly.  All 3 spells have their appropriate uses.

This is a great guide.  Thanks!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Celtons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Holypaladinnet/~3/m-LvJ67ICuw/holy-paladin-healing-guide&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Holy Paladin Healing Guide&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t done 25-man Ulduar, but I don&#8217;t have any problem healing 10-man Ulduar as a Holy Paladin.  You people complaining about your Flash of Lights being so weak and not being able to raid heal should try stacking Spell Power instead of Intellect.  I can raid heal in Ulduar-10 with no problem while keeping up a tank at the same time.  Holy Shock and Flash of Light synergy is amazing.  Sure, you can pump out more HPS with Holy Light, but who cares if people are still dying?  You need to use Holy Shock and Flash of Light to take care of all the burst damage.  It usually only takes one Shock and a Flash for me to top off non-tank, and I can do that instantly.  All 3 spells have their appropriate uses.</p>
<p>This is a great guide.  Thanks!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Celtons last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Holypaladinnet/~3/m-LvJ67ICuw/holy-paladin-healing-guide" rel="nofollow">Holy Paladin Healing Guide</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Silk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want this to come across as a criticism but in my view you may find better results with a couple of small tweaks.

First, Holy Shock (HS) is both less HPS and HPM than Holy Light (HL).  This means that, simply by replacing HS with HL in your &quot;rotation&quot; your mana efficiency and healing goes up.  

Second, especially when under the divine plea healing penalty, casting Flash of Light (FoL) is usually a waste of time.  Sure its mana efficient but its healing is so low that to use it at any time where you are not completely OOM is sub-optimal.  Of course going completely OOM is somewhat sub-optimal as well :)

Third, in my (admittedly limited - 4 bosses in H Ulduar and 6 in normal) experience, it is not necessary to have 2 pallies constantly spamming on the tank for the whole fight every fight.  There are intense periods sure (frozen blows, high stacks on Razorscale) but generally the bosses aren&#039;t hitting THAT hard.  Having hots on the tank really takes the edge off too.

Your second pally could be beaconing the main tank and healing the OT and / or other damage (think Ignis Slag Pot, Kologarn&#039;s grip).  A holy pally beaconing the main tank and chaining HLs into those targets will dwarf any FoL / HS healing.

One tip: swinging that mace at the boss (even periodically) will return a surprising amount of mana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want this to come across as a criticism but in my view you may find better results with a couple of small tweaks.</p>
<p>First, Holy Shock (HS) is both less HPS and HPM than Holy Light (HL).  This means that, simply by replacing HS with HL in your &#8220;rotation&#8221; your mana efficiency and healing goes up.  </p>
<p>Second, especially when under the divine plea healing penalty, casting Flash of Light (FoL) is usually a waste of time.  Sure its mana efficient but its healing is so low that to use it at any time where you are not completely OOM is sub-optimal.  Of course going completely OOM is somewhat sub-optimal as well <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Third, in my (admittedly limited &#8211; 4 bosses in H Ulduar and 6 in normal) experience, it is not necessary to have 2 pallies constantly spamming on the tank for the whole fight every fight.  There are intense periods sure (frozen blows, high stacks on Razorscale) but generally the bosses aren&#8217;t hitting THAT hard.  Having hots on the tank really takes the edge off too.</p>
<p>Your second pally could be beaconing the main tank and healing the OT and / or other damage (think Ignis Slag Pot, Kologarn&#8217;s grip).  A holy pally beaconing the main tank and chaining HLs into those targets will dwarf any FoL / HS healing.</p>
<p>One tip: swinging that mace at the boss (even periodically) will return a surprising amount of mana.</p>
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		<title>By: Ngita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ngita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why their complaints about the 10 man are coming from, I essentially heal the 10 man the same as I heal the 25 man. The sole difference being I beacon add tanks in 25 and beacon the MT in 10 so any raid healing I do goes to him as well. I am also very careful to only raid heal when I reasonably sure I wont lose the MT because my target was healing by someone else.

Their are opportunites to do reasonable dps in 10 man while recovering mana so use them,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why their complaints about the 10 man are coming from, I essentially heal the 10 man the same as I heal the 25 man. The sole difference being I beacon add tanks in 25 and beacon the MT in 10 so any raid healing I do goes to him as well. I am also very careful to only raid heal when I reasonably sure I wont lose the MT because my target was healing by someone else.</p>
<p>Their are opportunites to do reasonable dps in 10 man while recovering mana so use them,</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
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		<dc:creator>HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the 25 man tips! I&#039;ve healed 10 mans before and it seems to be fine for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the 25 man tips! I&#8217;ve healed 10 mans before and it seems to be fine for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tarqon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarqon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always nice to read something from a paladin perspective. :) This makes me realize how lucky I am as a disc priest to at least have prayer of healing, it&#039;s all the AOE heals you need for a ten man, though very heavy on the mana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always nice to read something from a paladin perspective. <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  This makes me realize how lucky I am as a disc priest to at least have prayer of healing, it&#8217;s all the AOE heals you need for a ten man, though very heavy on the mana.</p>
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