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	<title>Comments on: Holy and Disc Too Costly for Dual Spec</title>
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		<title>By: Draedus</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-20273</link>
		<dc:creator>Draedus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a run where we slightly less healing sign-ups then usual, and had to pull an additional holy pally to satisfy our 6 healing core for the raid.  Since I&#039;m the only raiding disc priest, I almost never find myself feeling that I needed to switch to my holy counterpart, except for this run.  

Granted, I was not asked to switch, I simply felt that since we have already two good holy pallys, that me swtiching to holy would give us additional aoe healing strength.  Our typical healing core usually consists of 1-2 holy priests, one disc (me yay!), two resto druids,  shaman, and holy pally.  However, that raid where I switchd specs, we had two holy palllys, one disc, only one holy priest, and two resto druids for aoe healing.  

The druids were the first to mention that general healing seemed more strenuous, and I thought that was due to me being slightly new holy, as I&#039;ve only been holy fulltime since BC, so I had to get used ti CoH and even PoH.  We had a harder then usual time with Hodir.  i mentioned that I was holy, and they asked that I switch back to disc (just to see if I can help elevate much of the healing).  Part of the damage was people simply not getting out of the way from the ice blocks, which is something we have had trouple with, however me mass shielding again really helped with the added damage mitigation.  

Disc AoE got a huge ramp-up with the latest patch, and I think the paradigm that disc is only good for single target healing, is now a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a run where we slightly less healing sign-ups then usual, and had to pull an additional holy pally to satisfy our 6 healing core for the raid.  Since I&#8217;m the only raiding disc priest, I almost never find myself feeling that I needed to switch to my holy counterpart, except for this run.  </p>
<p>Granted, I was not asked to switch, I simply felt that since we have already two good holy pallys, that me swtiching to holy would give us additional aoe healing strength.  Our typical healing core usually consists of 1-2 holy priests, one disc (me yay!), two resto druids,  shaman, and holy pally.  However, that raid where I switchd specs, we had two holy palllys, one disc, only one holy priest, and two resto druids for aoe healing.  </p>
<p>The druids were the first to mention that general healing seemed more strenuous, and I thought that was due to me being slightly new holy, as I&#8217;ve only been holy fulltime since BC, so I had to get used ti CoH and even PoH.  We had a harder then usual time with Hodir.  i mentioned that I was holy, and they asked that I switch back to disc (just to see if I can help elevate much of the healing).  Part of the damage was people simply not getting out of the way from the ice blocks, which is something we have had trouple with, however me mass shielding again really helped with the added damage mitigation.  </p>
<p>Disc AoE got a huge ramp-up with the latest patch, and I think the paradigm that disc is only good for single target healing, is now a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Quall</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-20062</link>
		<dc:creator>Quall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to check in on this site fairly regularly and enjoy the articles very much, so after reading this topic, I wanted to post here to possibly get some feedback from this community. As a preface, I play a Priest on Jaedenar, US in a not-really-hardcore raiding guild. Pre-3.0, I played predominantly as Holy, and only went Disc for PvP. However, with guild Sarth+3d attempts, I went Disc and stayed that way for some time. When dual spec was introduced, I chose Holy and Disc as my talent lines. 

To the point of this post, my guild also spent some time on Kologarn after Ulduar went live and I was eventually asked to switch to Holy for raid healing while pallies were assigned to the tanks. Now, I do use outfitter to switch gear and I maintain somewhat separate sets for Disc and Holy, but many pieces, especially those from Naxx25, Sarth, and Maly25 that are (arguably - at least, pre-Ulduar) BiS for both Holy and Disc are not swapped out. But unlike the author of this topic, I did not notice any significant impairment when going from Disc to Holy for this fight. Of course, regen was certainly more of an issue, but I knew that would be the case and that adjustments would need to be made. Perhaps I haven&#039;t played a Disc priest long enough to fully appreciate the differences in gear/gemming/enchants. It&#039;s also a possibility that my use of certain pieces of gear/gems/enchants as a Disc priest are not optimal, but are better suited for a Holy priest. If anyone would like to comment on my armory or make suggestions, I would appreciate it, since I will most likely be playing a Disc priest in Ulduar (and perhaps beyond) and I would appreciate any words of wisdom this community may have to offer.

As always, I very much enjoy this site and the articles - please keep them coming, and I&#039;ll keep reading. 

Character: Quall
Realm: Jaedenar, US</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to check in on this site fairly regularly and enjoy the articles very much, so after reading this topic, I wanted to post here to possibly get some feedback from this community. As a preface, I play a Priest on Jaedenar, US in a not-really-hardcore raiding guild. Pre-3.0, I played predominantly as Holy, and only went Disc for PvP. However, with guild Sarth+3d attempts, I went Disc and stayed that way for some time. When dual spec was introduced, I chose Holy and Disc as my talent lines. </p>
<p>To the point of this post, my guild also spent some time on Kologarn after Ulduar went live and I was eventually asked to switch to Holy for raid healing while pallies were assigned to the tanks. Now, I do use outfitter to switch gear and I maintain somewhat separate sets for Disc and Holy, but many pieces, especially those from Naxx25, Sarth, and Maly25 that are (arguably &#8211; at least, pre-Ulduar) BiS for both Holy and Disc are not swapped out. But unlike the author of this topic, I did not notice any significant impairment when going from Disc to Holy for this fight. Of course, regen was certainly more of an issue, but I knew that would be the case and that adjustments would need to be made. Perhaps I haven&#8217;t played a Disc priest long enough to fully appreciate the differences in gear/gemming/enchants. It&#8217;s also a possibility that my use of certain pieces of gear/gems/enchants as a Disc priest are not optimal, but are better suited for a Holy priest. If anyone would like to comment on my armory or make suggestions, I would appreciate it, since I will most likely be playing a Disc priest in Ulduar (and perhaps beyond) and I would appreciate any words of wisdom this community may have to offer.</p>
<p>As always, I very much enjoy this site and the articles &#8211; please keep them coming, and I&#8217;ll keep reading. </p>
<p>Character: Quall<br />
Realm: Jaedenar, US</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-20020</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the part of me which wants to say:

God, are the stats you need for Disc and Holy that out of wack that you can&#039;t properly sync them with the same gear? I though that was a given? I mean, I play shadow MS and go holy for guild raiding, i know that i have to come with 2 completely different gear sets, gem sets, enchantments for the most part. Sure i&#039;d rather wear something that&#039;s BiS for shadow over something of significantly lower power...

Really Disc and Holy are as similar as Balance and Resto in the druid trees...

Which reminds me. I want separate tier gear for disc and holy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the part of me which wants to say:</p>
<p>God, are the stats you need for Disc and Holy that out of wack that you can&#8217;t properly sync them with the same gear? I though that was a given? I mean, I play shadow MS and go holy for guild raiding, i know that i have to come with 2 completely different gear sets, gem sets, enchantments for the most part. Sure i&#8217;d rather wear something that&#8217;s BiS for shadow over something of significantly lower power&#8230;</p>
<p>Really Disc and Holy are as similar as Balance and Resto in the druid trees&#8230;</p>
<p>Which reminds me. I want separate tier gear for disc and holy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19974</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused about the lack of regen with holy.  What spec were you in holy?  Most holy priests are not socketing spirit (or at least shouldn&#039;t be) with the only spirit coming from what is on tier gear.  Int &gt;&gt; Spirit for holy priests.  If you spec holy for AoE healing you are going to blow through a lot less mana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about the lack of regen with holy.  What spec were you in holy?  Most holy priests are not socketing spirit (or at least shouldn&#8217;t be) with the only spirit coming from what is on tier gear.  Int &gt;&gt; Spirit for holy priests.  If you spec holy for AoE healing you are going to blow through a lot less mana.</p>
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		<title>By: Lagniappe</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19971</link>
		<dc:creator>Lagniappe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We simply could not heal raid damage of that magnitude.&quot;

Fan service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We simply could not heal raid damage of that magnitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fan service!</p>
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		<title>By: Matticus</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19949</link>
		<dc:creator>Matticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@smeegoan: I run into mana problems with Disc gear, enchants, and gems as a Holy spec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@smeegoan: I run into mana problems with Disc gear, enchants, and gems as a Holy spec.</p>
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		<title>By: smeegoan</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19947</link>
		<dc:creator>smeegoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant belive you are running into mana issues.  I&#039;ve knocked down the first half of ulduar and haven&#039;t gone under 20% often at the top of the meter if holy and when discipline in the same gear sans a trinket i&#039;m seeing np. my gear is stacked with intel and crit, we do run with replentishment as well.  Matt, are you trying to do just too much?  spamming POH might be overkill. thats what druids and shammys are for. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant belive you are running into mana issues.  I&#8217;ve knocked down the first half of ulduar and haven&#8217;t gone under 20% often at the top of the meter if holy and when discipline in the same gear sans a trinket i&#8217;m seeing np. my gear is stacked with intel and crit, we do run with replentishment as well.  Matt, are you trying to do just too much?  spamming POH might be overkill. thats what druids and shammys are for. <img src='http://www.worldofmatticus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gong</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19931</link>
		<dc:creator>Gong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliseth Hit it right on the nose Pre-emptive shielding raid members is the best way a disc priest can deal with AOE dmg. It takes a lot of pressure off of the raid healers. (Plus it guarantees that your rapture will proc every cooldown)

Priority shielding is pretty much healers then clothies...beyond that I watch for people who are dangerously low on health and drop a shield on them to give the other healers more time.

I&#039;ve discovered with all the changes they&#039;ve made to the Disc priest blizz has transformed them into a really nice support class and being speced it is like being a permenant &quot;OH SHIT&quot; button for the raid. Between the burst heals and shields we can buy those precious milliseconds needed for the big heals from the other healers to land.

Just for background we (vanquish) generally runs with 2 shaman, 1 pally, 2 druids, a holy and a disc priest for 25 man healers.

As far as dual specs goes I had originally planned to run with a disc/disc spec or a hybrid holy/disc for pvp untill I seen the changes they made to shadow for pvp. and I will say shadow PvP is quite enjoyable again. Even with crappy gear we can actually hold a bit of our own again.

Anyways

My armory if anyone cares to look: (Sorry, I&#039;m usually my shadow PvP build outside of raids)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Firetree&amp;cn=Gongletta&amp;gn=Vanquish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliseth Hit it right on the nose Pre-emptive shielding raid members is the best way a disc priest can deal with AOE dmg. It takes a lot of pressure off of the raid healers. (Plus it guarantees that your rapture will proc every cooldown)</p>
<p>Priority shielding is pretty much healers then clothies&#8230;beyond that I watch for people who are dangerously low on health and drop a shield on them to give the other healers more time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve discovered with all the changes they&#8217;ve made to the Disc priest blizz has transformed them into a really nice support class and being speced it is like being a permenant &#8220;OH SHIT&#8221; button for the raid. Between the burst heals and shields we can buy those precious milliseconds needed for the big heals from the other healers to land.</p>
<p>Just for background we (vanquish) generally runs with 2 shaman, 1 pally, 2 druids, a holy and a disc priest for 25 man healers.</p>
<p>As far as dual specs goes I had originally planned to run with a disc/disc spec or a hybrid holy/disc for pvp untill I seen the changes they made to shadow for pvp. and I will say shadow PvP is quite enjoyable again. Even with crappy gear we can actually hold a bit of our own again.</p>
<p>Anyways</p>
<p>My armory if anyone cares to look: (Sorry, I&#8217;m usually my shadow PvP build outside of raids)<br />
<a href="http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Firetree&#038;cn=Gongletta&#038;gn=Vanquish" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Firetree&#038;cn=Gongletta&#038;gn=Vanquish</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guling</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19920</link>
		<dc:creator>Guling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my guild was getting wiped for 3 hours straight at Kologarn last night, I was just thinking to myself when I&#039;ll get some tips from Matticus on how to do this fight. This is a perfectly timed post, and right on the money with the exact problem our guild is also having.

You beat me to the punch too for dropping holy off-spec and building a disc off-spec. Though I was thinking of just spamming shields on everyone and using talented renews and PoMs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my guild was getting wiped for 3 hours straight at Kologarn last night, I was just thinking to myself when I&#8217;ll get some tips from Matticus on how to do this fight. This is a perfectly timed post, and right on the money with the exact problem our guild is also having.</p>
<p>You beat me to the punch too for dropping holy off-spec and building a disc off-spec. Though I was thinking of just spamming shields on everyone and using talented renews and PoMs.</p>
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		<title>By: Matticus</title>
		<link>http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2009/04/22/holy-and-disc-too-costly-for-dual-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-19916</link>
		<dc:creator>Matticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eliseth: 

RE: Glyph of Fade - At the time, I didn&#039;t have other attractive options. So instead of a &quot;I need this&quot; it was more of a &quot;why the heck not?&quot; kind of situation,

RE: Mana. It&#039;s good. If all healers are alive, I have plenty in the tank at the end. Where it gets exciting is when one or two healers drop and I assist in picking up the slack. I&#039;m trying to challenge myself and cast as many bubbles as I can to immediate party members (or melee players for example). 

RE: Raid healers. Yup, there&#039;s a few coordination related deaths among what you&#039;ve mentioned. Those get identified and resolved fairly quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eliseth: </p>
<p>RE: Glyph of Fade &#8211; At the time, I didn&#8217;t have other attractive options. So instead of a &#8220;I need this&#8221; it was more of a &#8220;why the heck not?&#8221; kind of situation,</p>
<p>RE: Mana. It&#8217;s good. If all healers are alive, I have plenty in the tank at the end. Where it gets exciting is when one or two healers drop and I assist in picking up the slack. I&#8217;m trying to challenge myself and cast as many bubbles as I can to immediate party members (or melee players for example). </p>
<p>RE: Raid healers. Yup, there&#8217;s a few coordination related deaths among what you&#8217;ve mentioned. Those get identified and resolved fairly quickly.</p>
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