For ourselves we just went with random roll in naxx 25 for the 1st day with random 1 to indicate offspec or 2nd peice. DKP from 2nd day on. 10 man content is staying /random..

One thing to consider is just the incredible amount of drops their are especially if your running both normal and heroic. After 2 weeks we are allready disenchanting feral staves,fist weapons, caster staves and i think we need 1 more ilvl 200 caster 1 hander before they go to offpec.

Why? We’ll obvious to fill the occassional slot in your raid, but more importantly these pugs are one of your best recruitment pools. You might not neeed them now, but what happens when your only XXXX spec [insert race here] leaves? If you’ve been fair to your puggers you will have decent (and hopefully well geared players) queuing to fill the slot (both in the raid, but potentially also the guild).

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I for one could care less about getting loot any time soon because I’m able to competitively hold my position as one of our Melee DPS. I joined this guild to beat the game, not to get a specific piece of gear.

Now if I am being held back from a strong contribution due to loot – I would feel more anxious about getting gear. As long as a fair/impartial council shares that perspective (gear relative to contribution) the gear will find the right home.

Perhaps a more casual minded guild (like my last one) benefits greatly from a DKP system versus a LC, but it seems that drama only happens when you feel that you will not get what you need (legendary drop, particularly difficult boss, etc.)

In summary, if you kill all the bosses of Naxx/OS every week – there is plenty of loot to go around. As long as there is plenty of loot being tossed around – folks aren’t gonna care if you Council, DKP, draw straws, or random roll it. Just keep the train rolling.

I’m not missing any factors. I understand the system completely and years of leading and being a part of raids as well as observing the successful and unsuccessful systems of other guilds is why I hold the opinion that I do.

You yourself have experienced first hand a bad LC system, yet like so many others seem to want to believe that if we can just find that right person… that perfect person… we’ll have the greatest loot system ever!

…but that’s not the case. In my experience, the person(s) given the task to do a LC have an impossible task a head of them where there are multiple instances where there is no right decision and it just undermines the trust and authority of the leadership.

That being said, I truly do wish Matt and his team the best of luck. I want to believe, I really do.

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I feel ya there, i’ve watched loot misdistributed, and also won an item or two quickly before 3.02 which contained mass crit and intel that a mage got mad at, but as a player on ptr I knew the change was coming.

dunno. good luck with it all.

personally I like my guild but sure as hell wouldn’t trust the officers to be non greedy or favorite playing in that situation. “oh so and so is good” ” oh so and so is really my buddy” dunno. somehow a forceful gm, and a non complacent raiding membership = loot council. it sorta corrects potential errors, and dkp rewards players who commit.

just my .02, I’m curious to see how this turns out. oO

The people we have on the council IMO are from my experience so far have the integrity to make good decisions not only for themselves but the good of the guild

The 2 DKP systems I was in, one pre BC with a top world guild and one TBC, had the same inherit flaws were you gave the choice to your guild to make. I cannot tell you the number of times loot had gone out that would either seriously gimp the raid or have loot passed over because someone was hoarding their DKP for that one drop they thought was so special. How about being in a guild with DKP were someone who did earlier content racked up a massive amount of DKP but couldnt play as much and was pretty much a casual sub and then would come in for Illidan or KJ and snag some really good loot because they had the DKP.

Both caused all kinds of problems for both guilds.

a group of people in officer chat sorting out the spoils? god help you.

It works in theory and I hope you can pull it off. and honestly it is a logical way to go… I just see it being painful.