Comments on: Note to Officers: Your Raiders Want to Raid http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: I’s got dem Raiding Blues « Pugnacious priest’s Warcraft Blog http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9655 I’s got dem Raiding Blues « Pugnacious priest’s Warcraft Blog Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:28:24 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9655 [...] we lacked DPS.  Guilds are fighting for healers,  I so wanted to send the officers a link to this Note to Officers your Raiders want to raid. we had 21 Raiders ready, and enough friends between us we could have pugged the extra DPS, so we [...] [...] we lacked DPS.  Guilds are fighting for healers,  I so wanted to send the officers a link to this Note to Officers your Raiders want to raid. we had 21 Raiders ready, and enough friends between us we could have pugged the extra DPS, so we [...]

]]> By: Cassio http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9416 Cassio Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:44:53 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9416 @Curtis, I see where you are coming from and I am torn. My guild currently lets all pugs roll on gear if we bring them in. The flip side is that I have seen many a raid go by where the pugs walk away with all the T5 tokens. Its fair to the pugs but discouraging to the core raiders. @Curtis, I see where you are coming from and I am torn. My guild currently lets all pugs roll on gear if we bring them in. The flip side is that I have seen many a raid go by where the pugs walk away with all the T5 tokens. Its fair to the pugs but discouraging to the core raiders.

]]> By: Tankette http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9365 Tankette Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:45:38 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9365 I don't really worry about loot. I guess I would have a different perspective about using non guildies if our guild was smaller and that is what it took to get a raid going on a regular basis. Our typical 25 man raids have 35 people wanting in so when we have a night with only 20 or so wanting to raid it baffles me. We just changed some of our guild rules that basically requires our "raid elites" to be in the progression raids every Tues and Thurs or else get bumped down in status. So far this has really helped fielding a solid 25 man team. It is a tough thing to balance "casual" with progression. I don’t really worry about loot.

I guess I would have a different perspective about using non guildies if our guild was smaller and that is what it took to get a raid going on a regular basis. Our typical 25 man raids have 35 people wanting in so when we have a night with only 20 or so wanting to raid it baffles me. We just changed some of our guild rules that basically requires our “raid elites” to be in the progression raids every Tues and Thurs or else get bumped down in status. So far this has really helped fielding a solid 25 man team. It is a tough thing to balance “casual” with progression.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9359 Curtis Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:44:08 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9359 PUGs deserve an equal shot at loot. Not a "you get loot if we don't need it." Then again, I suppose if you explain everything to them ahead of time and they agree to it then that's ok too. Whenever we PUG in my guild I make sure they know that all things being equal they have as much a right to the loot as a guildy. That said, we're just doing 10 mans. I understand 25 man loot complicates things. But the overall point is--you wouldn't be raiding that night if it weren't for the PUGs. So they are deserving. We ran a quick ZA last night pugging 3 spots. One of them got loot. Grats to them! PUGs deserve an equal shot at loot. Not a “you get loot if we don’t need it.”

Then again, I suppose if you explain everything to them ahead of time and they agree to it then that’s ok too.

Whenever we PUG in my guild I make sure they know that all things being equal they have as much a right to the loot as a guildy.

That said, we’re just doing 10 mans. I understand 25 man loot complicates things.

But the overall point is–you wouldn’t be raiding that night if it weren’t for the PUGs. So they are deserving.

We ran a quick ZA last night pugging 3 spots. One of them got loot. Grats to them!

]]> By: Doppelganger http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9348 Doppelganger Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:04:49 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9348 Actually the raid consisted of 22 guild members, 1 app, and 2 friends. I just wanted to raid :'( Actually the raid consisted of 22 guild members, 1 app, and 2 friends. I just wanted to raid :’(

]]> By: S13 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9341 S13 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:33:13 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9341 One thing left out...this is a new guild on the server and having 22 people on at one time is good. Poor choice to call the raid imo :) One thing left out…this is a new guild on the server and having 22 people on at one time is good. Poor choice to call the raid imo :)

]]> By: Revaan http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9340 Revaan Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:12:36 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9340 @tankette, whether or not to call a raid due to lack of people is a judgment call, but I think Matticus does a fairly good job of differentiating between when to fill the slots via any means necessary and when to just call it. In the case mentioned here, this was a good night to run the raid with a few extras and leave a nasty message on the forums for the no-shows. Most people in raiding guilds are there because they really love to raid, and most of them won't care if it's not the A-team, all guildies, or whatever. As long as it has a shot at being successful, they'll be there. Calling a viable raid because it can't be filled with guild members will piss off far more of the membership base than those it satisfies. Besides, you never know what outside talent might decide they really enjoyed raiding with you and apply to be in your guild. @tankette, whether or not to call a raid due to lack of people is a judgment call, but I think Matticus does a fairly good job of differentiating between when to fill the slots via any means necessary and when to just call it. In the case mentioned here, this was a good night to run the raid with a few extras and leave a nasty message on the forums for the no-shows.

Most people in raiding guilds are there because they really love to raid, and most of them won’t care if it’s not the A-team, all guildies, or whatever. As long as it has a shot at being successful, they’ll be there. Calling a viable raid because it can’t be filled with guild members will piss off far more of the membership base than those it satisfies. Besides, you never know what outside talent might decide they really enjoyed raiding with you and apply to be in your guild.

]]> By: Cynra http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9338 Cynra Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:04:14 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9338 I still always find it odd when people demand that only guildies can raid together. It's such an anathema, especially on Feathermoon US where many raids are actually comprised of individuals of differing guilds. My priest's 25-man raid group is from everywhere while my hunter's 25-man group has a core of people from a guild but they understand that sometimes the best players from the job aren't the ones wearing your guild tag. Though that doesn't keep them from making the occasional offer to get those people into their tags! I still always find it odd when people demand that only guildies can raid together. It’s such an anathema, especially on Feathermoon US where many raids are actually comprised of individuals of differing guilds. My priest’s 25-man raid group is from everywhere while my hunter’s 25-man group has a core of people from a guild but they understand that sometimes the best players from the job aren’t the ones wearing your guild tag.

Though that doesn’t keep them from making the occasional offer to get those people into their tags!

]]> By: psychonia http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9336 psychonia Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:07:57 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9336 i come from a server with a very small horde population and pretty much witnessed first hand how the "guild only" raid rule trashes guilds trying to RAID! Not sure where this originates from? maybe large population alliance servers with so many people trying to raid you have to beat them off with a stick? Anyway matt, i think your right-on completely about the short sightedness of that attitude. especially on low pop servers where every raider counts regardless of guild affiliation :P i come from a server with a very small horde population and pretty much witnessed first hand how the “guild only” raid rule trashes guilds trying to RAID!

Not sure where this originates from? maybe large population alliance servers with so many people trying to raid you have to beat them off with a stick?

Anyway matt, i think your right-on completely about the short sightedness of that attitude. especially on low pop servers where every raider counts regardless of guild affiliation :P

]]> By: Troen http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-9335 Troen Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:57:38 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/06/05/note-to-officers-your-raiders-want-to-raid/#comment-9335 Summer isn't too great in Seattle - rain and gloom recently, so it's almost not worth going... Summer isn’t too great in Seattle – rain and gloom recently, so it’s almost not worth going…

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