Comments on: Why I Always Care About The Meters http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/ Where healers come first Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:29:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Care and Keeping of Recruits : World of Matticus http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-11342 The Care and Keeping of Recruits : World of Matticus Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:36:36 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-11342 [...] made my position on meters pretty clear. They’re a very visible part of my UI. One of the biggest reasons is that I’ve [...] [...] made my position on meters pretty clear. They’re a very visible part of my UI. One of the biggest reasons is that I’ve [...]

]]> By: “The Meters” and Why They’re Useless » Omen of Clarity http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9178 “The Meters” and Why They’re Useless » Omen of Clarity Thu, 29 May 2008 16:36:55 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9178 [...] over at World of Matticus wrote a post yesterday about why she’s always checking the meters. She raises many good points about how she uses “the meters” to help her better herself [...] [...] over at World of Matticus wrote a post yesterday about why she’s always checking the meters. She raises many good points about how she uses “the meters” to help her better herself [...]

]]> By: Doug http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9174 Doug Thu, 29 May 2008 11:39:54 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9174 Recount is an excellent way to find out that one of your fellow priests (the one who is always OOM begging for an innervate) simply spams CoH for 99% of their healing while it overheals 70% of the time. The other 1% being PoM+Renew on the MT for the pull. Recount is an excellent way to find out that one of your fellow priests (the one who is always OOM begging for an innervate) simply spams CoH for 99% of their healing while it overheals 70% of the time. The other 1% being PoM+Renew on the MT for the pull.

]]> By: Larísa http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9172 Larísa Thu, 29 May 2008 09:06:03 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9172 I love Recount - for evaluating myself. Honestly I'm not good or cleaver enough to be able to really evaluate the performance of other classes from it. Not yet. Hopefull I'll be one day.. Actually I wrote a blog post about the use of damage meters the other day: http://larisamage.blogg.se/2008/may/how-to-use-damage-meters.html (Mind you, I wrote it before this one was posted, else I'd of course linked to this excellent post.) I love Recount – for evaluating myself. Honestly I’m not good or cleaver enough to be able to really evaluate the performance of other classes from it. Not yet. Hopefull I’ll be one day..

Actually I wrote a blog post about the use of damage meters the other day:
http://larisamage.blogg.se/2008/may/how-to-use-damage-meters.html

(Mind you, I wrote it before this one was posted, else I’d of course linked to this excellent post.)

]]> By: Itsnoteasy http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9159 Itsnoteasy Thu, 29 May 2008 00:19:14 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9159 In regards to the comment about PW:S, I believe the issue is that the game doesn't tell you how much a hit was absorbed for if it was fully absorbed. The only way the meters would be able to measure that is to know who cast the shield, what talents they had, how much +healing they had, and whether the shield faded because the timer ran out, or it was used up. As opposed to everything else where they can just dump combat log events into a big table. :D It's theoretically possible, but I'd wager it'd be messy as hell, hence why no one's bothered. (For example: there used to be an addon which would track how much absorption self-cast shields had left. The problem was that in order to work, it had to profile every mob that attacked you, build up a table of the average damage each attack would hit you for, and then it could *estimate* how much power was left in the shield. And that was *only* for self-casting!) In regards to the comment about PW:S, I believe the issue is that the game doesn’t tell you how much a hit was absorbed for if it was fully absorbed. The only way the meters would be able to measure that is to know who cast the shield, what talents they had, how much +healing they had, and whether the shield faded because the timer ran out, or it was used up.

As opposed to everything else where they can just dump combat log events into a big table. :D It’s theoretically possible, but I’d wager it’d be messy as hell, hence why no one’s bothered.

(For example: there used to be an addon which would track how much absorption self-cast shields had left. The problem was that in order to work, it had to profile every mob that attacked you, build up a table of the average damage each attack would hit you for, and then it could *estimate* how much power was left in the shield. And that was *only* for self-casting!)

]]> By: Arduanne http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9153 Arduanne Wed, 28 May 2008 22:23:53 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9153 I love Recount. I find it invaluable on my rogue especially if I am testing new specs or gear. It's the same on the paladin, it's a nice way to get your head around exactly how a spell haste set might increase your effectiveness. I'm not terribly competitive with them however. We actually try to see how close we can be to each other most of the time rather than how far apart. It does come in handy if you are evaluating a newer healer in larger content or if you are evaluating to see if you can drop or add a healer from a rotation (that's how we decided to drop from 3 healers to 2 for the aspects in ZA). I love Recount. I find it invaluable on my rogue especially if I am testing new specs or gear. It’s the same on the paladin, it’s a nice way to get your head around exactly how a spell haste set might increase your effectiveness.

I’m not terribly competitive with them however. We actually try to see how close we can be to each other most of the time rather than how far apart.

It does come in handy if you are evaluating a newer healer in larger content or if you are evaluating to see if you can drop or add a healer from a rotation (that’s how we decided to drop from 3 healers to 2 for the aspects in ZA).

]]> By: Muron http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9150 Muron Wed, 28 May 2008 19:42:17 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9150 I find recount insanely helpful for helping myself tweak my own play style, helping others, analyses and for gaining a certain amount of authority. If you are pugging with another member of your class and you are over doubling their DPS they are a lot more likely to listen to your suggestions. Being able to look through a fight and see what abilities a person is using, their miss and crit, really help give them advice on what to do. Also in pugs nothing is as handy as seeing which DPS is always breaking the damn CC. I find recount insanely helpful for helping myself tweak my own play style, helping others, analyses and for gaining a certain amount of authority. If you are pugging with another member of your class and you are over doubling their DPS they are a lot more likely to listen to your suggestions. Being able to look through a fight and see what abilities a person is using, their miss and crit, really help give them advice on what to do.

Also in pugs nothing is as handy as seeing which DPS is always breaking the damn CC.

]]> By: Kestrel http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9143 Kestrel Wed, 28 May 2008 17:53:06 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9143 I like damage meters mostly not to see who's on top, but to see who's not. For example, a hunter pet out-damaging a 'lock tells me something. Too many things, actually, but that's another story. Healing meters...I don't need other healers measuring epeens. If folks don't die and objectives are met, healing worked. <i>Generally.</i> I like damage meters mostly not to see who’s on top, but to see who’s not. For example, a hunter pet out-damaging a ‘lock tells me something. Too many things, actually, but that’s another story.

Healing meters…I don’t need other healers measuring epeens. If folks don’t die and objectives are met, healing worked. Generally.

]]> By: Chaynie http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9141 Chaynie Wed, 28 May 2008 17:18:02 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9141 To an extent and commenting on the focus of this post, healing meters do have a place in analyzing a particularly problematic healer. As echoed before, the healing order does come down to the fight at hand, the responsibilities of the healer and class. In the end, if the lacking healer is not there to pull the raid out of a tough spot, not responsive, or simply not using the right healing spells on the right targets, it would be time to evaluate the healer, and meters shouldn't be needed to see which healer is lacking. As I had personally raided with Wynthea for quite some time, I do have to say that she is quite competitive and holds to healing meters like a pastor to his Bible, and that's what makes her such a kick-ass healer. She uses the meters correctly and that is what it comes down to. Use them right, or don't use them at all. To an extent and commenting on the focus of this post, healing meters do have a place in analyzing a particularly problematic healer. As echoed before, the healing order does come down to the fight at hand, the responsibilities of the healer and class.

In the end, if the lacking healer is not there to pull the raid out of a tough spot, not responsive, or simply not using the right healing spells on the right targets, it would be time to evaluate the healer, and meters shouldn’t be needed to see which healer is lacking.

As I had personally raided with Wynthea for quite some time, I do have to say that she is quite competitive and holds to healing meters like a pastor to his Bible, and that’s what makes her such a kick-ass healer. She uses the meters correctly and that is what it comes down to. Use them right, or don’t use them at all.

]]> By: isheepthings http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/28/why-i-always-care-about-the-meters/comment-page-1/#comment-9140 isheepthings Wed, 28 May 2008 16:59:12 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/?p=721#comment-9140 From a DPS prospective, I decided to leave the meters off and stop worrying about squeezing out every drop to be the top (which I never am anyway). It was amazing how I could focus on the fight and not a little bar. In the end though I think I did see about an 10% performance drop so meters do have their place in helping encourage effort. You just need to work self improvement and not king of the charts. From a DPS prospective, I decided to leave the meters off and stop worrying about squeezing out every drop to be the top (which I never am anyway). It was amazing how I could focus on the fight and not a little bar. In the end though I think I did see about an 10% performance drop so meters do have their place in helping encourage effort. You just need to work self improvement and not king of the charts.

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