Comments on: Lessons in Relationships: Between the Raid Leader and the Raid http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gius http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8968 Gius Fri, 16 May 2008 16:54:48 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8968 I am glad I have never had to deal with someone yelling on vent. I would not tolerate that any more than I would an employee of mine yelling at a subordinate in the workplace. Leaders that resort to yelling are showing their own incompetence. They should be ashamed. I would maybe give a raid leader an opportunity to calm down and appologize later. Maybe. I am glad I have never had to deal with someone yelling on vent. I would not tolerate that any more than I would an employee of mine yelling at a subordinate in the workplace. Leaders that resort to yelling are showing their own incompetence. They should be ashamed. I would maybe give a raid leader an opportunity to calm down and appologize later. Maybe.

]]> By: Scott http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8967 Scott Fri, 16 May 2008 15:25:51 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8967 I'm in total agreement with pugnaciouspriest. I was the raid leader last night, and one of our guild leader was in the raid. We were having a rough time of it that only seemed to get worse when the guild leader started yelling at people on vent. The fact was that he was yelling about actual mistakes, but the yelling didn't actually result in better performance. I tried talking to the players who were making the mistakes but they were just so stressed out they really couldn't focus anymore. I’m in total agreement with pugnaciouspriest. I was the raid leader last night, and one of our guild leader was in the raid. We were having a rough time of it that only seemed to get worse when the guild leader started yelling at people on vent. The fact was that he was yelling about actual mistakes, but the yelling didn’t actually result in better performance. I tried talking to the players who were making the mistakes but they were just so stressed out they really couldn’t focus anymore.

]]> By: Gius http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8942 Gius Thu, 15 May 2008 16:52:30 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8942 The best leaders can teach someone, give feedback on doing things better, point out mistakes - all while building the student's confidence. The best leaders can teach someone, give feedback on doing things better, point out mistakes – all while building the student’s confidence.

]]> By: megan http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8937 megan Thu, 15 May 2008 15:00:10 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8937 My raids usually end up having the "goodcop, badcop" dynamic where one always remains positive and encourages everybody, while the other is more frank/blunt about people who are messing things up. My raids usually end up having the “goodcop, badcop” dynamic where one always remains positive and encourages everybody, while the other is more frank/blunt about people who are messing things up.

]]> By: pugnaciouspriest http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8936 pugnaciouspriest Thu, 15 May 2008 14:20:39 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8936 - Doug - I don't want my hand held.. but What I expect is that my raid leader to know more about the fight then I do - and realistically strategised at least basically what he expects each class to be able to do.. Im not saying that being a leader is easy... seriously hats off to those who are and stay that way - but we have seen alot of big guilds disband on our server recently... and most of the reasons don't seem to be because of lack of progression, its been either too many changes in leadership or not enough of the right leadership. And maybe at the cost of progression and time,if it matters enough that person who is being screamed at needs a one on one talk. Just like a manager would do in the real world, and say. Look your screwing up - BUT this is how you can fix it. Screaming will not fix the problem. Giving them practical advise while maybe time consuming will produce a Better and more loyal player... and that has to be one of the long term keys for sucess. It might sound like a carebear approach but if your being an Asshat screaming at people in vent all the time, you will have people Hate the game. Hate you.. and they will continue having performance issues. Fear may last longer when ruling.. but this is a game and people naturally want to suceed and have fun.. and if u keep screaming.. people will lose respect and u will lose ur leadership... /end rant - Doug – I don’t want my hand held.. but What I expect is that my raid leader to know more about the fight then I do – and realistically strategised at least basically what he expects each class to be able to do.. Im not saying that being a leader is easy… seriously hats off to those who are and stay that way – but we have seen alot of big guilds disband on our server recently… and most of the reasons don’t seem to be because of lack of progression, its been either too many changes in leadership or not enough of the right leadership. And maybe at the cost of progression and time,if it matters enough that person who is being screamed at needs a one on one talk. Just like a manager would do in the real world, and say. Look your screwing up – BUT this is how you can fix it. Screaming will not fix the problem. Giving them practical advise while maybe time consuming will produce a Better and more loyal player… and that has to be one of the long term keys for sucess. It might sound like a carebear approach but if your being an Asshat screaming at people in vent all the time, you will have people Hate the game. Hate you.. and they will continue having performance issues. Fear may last longer when ruling.. but this is a game and people naturally want to suceed and have fun.. and if u keep screaming.. people will lose respect and u will lose ur leadership…
/end rant

]]> By: Doug http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8932 Doug Thu, 15 May 2008 10:52:16 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8932 "Wait a minute. You expect me to hold your hand..." Exactly what ~50% of raiders out there expect from their raid leader. But what do you do about the idiot that continually makes the same mistakes over and over? Coaching only goes so far, so just take a lesson from the flight instructor and scream at them. “Wait a minute. You expect me to hold your hand…”
Exactly what ~50% of raiders out there expect from their raid leader.

But what do you do about the idiot that continually makes the same mistakes over and over?
Coaching only goes so far, so just take a lesson from the flight instructor and scream at them.

]]> By: dilfred http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8931 dilfred Thu, 15 May 2008 09:07:55 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8931 If it's any consolation, I thought it ended very aptly. If it’s any consolation, I thought it ended very aptly.

]]> By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8930 Matticus! Thu, 15 May 2008 06:46:47 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8930 Wait a minute. You expect me to hold your hand and translate to you what that story means? What happened to my lessons on critical thinking and being able to interpret and take away the meaning from whatever you read? It's like asking me to spoil the ending of a movie. Or giving MacGyver an actual set of tools. Yes, the abrupt end was intentional. If you still aren't sure what the message is, Sydera's hit the nail on the head. Wait a minute. You expect me to hold your hand and translate to you what that story means? What happened to my lessons on critical thinking and being able to interpret and take away the meaning from whatever you read?

It’s like asking me to spoil the ending of a movie. Or giving MacGyver an actual set of tools.

Yes, the abrupt end was intentional. If you still aren’t sure what the message is, Sydera’s hit the nail on the head.

]]> By: Euripedes http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8929 Euripedes Thu, 15 May 2008 06:03:42 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8929 It made sense to me the way he had it. It was abrupt, but that seemed to make it... more powerful. It made sense to me the way he had it.
It was abrupt, but that seemed to make it… more powerful.

]]> By: Pugnaciouspriest http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-8928 Pugnaciouspriest Thu, 15 May 2008 03:19:34 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/14/lessons-in-relationships-between-the-raid-leader-and-the-raid/#comment-8928 I've read some of Daniel Coleman who also looks at leadership when I was Managing people, and I do believe that a lot of raid leaders would benifit from reading people management books, if anything it shows that they while they are willing to learn about strats, and watch videos and do all their rosters, that what most never look at or read are anything on how to be a good leader. I know there are books on bosses from hell.. howabout Raidleaders from hell.. I’ve read some of Daniel Coleman who also looks at leadership when I was Managing people, and I do believe that a lot of raid leaders would benifit from reading people management books, if anything it shows that they while they are willing to learn about strats, and watch videos and do all their rosters, that what most never look at or read are anything on how to be a good leader. I know there are books on bosses from hell.. howabout Raidleaders from hell..

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