Comments on: Gamespy: Wrath of the Lich King New Info and Reaction http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/ Practical advice for World of Warcraft healers and leaders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gamespy WotLK Interview with Blizzard « Ardent Defender http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-27842 Gamespy WotLK Interview with Blizzard « Ardent Defender Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:11:15 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-27842 [...] well after my Paladin has first gotten to lvl 80 in the new content. Updated: Also read Matticus review of all the [...] [...] well after my Paladin has first gotten to lvl 80 in the new content. Updated: Also read Matticus review of all the [...]

]]> By: Ribeye http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8915 Ribeye Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:13 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8915 If nothing else, consider this about having 10 and 25 man variants on the same instance: greatly increased opportunity to provide "something for everyone" in loot itemization. For instance, try to find a good Druid tank shoulder or helm outside of T4+ drops. They don't exist. Other slots abound as difficult to fill for other classes and specs. Adding all of these loot tables meand that somewhere, there will be a boss mob that drops a suitable item for that slot that you can never seem to fill. To me, that's the best part of it. If nothing else, consider this about having 10 and 25 man variants on the same instance: greatly increased opportunity to provide “something for everyone” in loot itemization. For instance, try to find a good Druid tank shoulder or helm outside of T4+ drops. They don’t exist. Other slots abound as difficult to fill for other classes and specs. Adding all of these loot tables meand that somewhere, there will be a boss mob that drops a suitable item for that slot that you can never seem to fill. To me, that’s the best part of it.

]]> By: All Things Azeroth http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8893 All Things Azeroth Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:07 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8893 <strong>All Things Azeroth #52 - Wrath of the Lich King Media Blitz...</strong> Episode 52 covers the May 9th media blitz of Wrath of the Lich King info. Shout out to Matticus for his thoughts on the media blitz and for his insane ability to read mass data in a short time. Download...... All Things Azeroth #52 – Wrath of the Lich King Media Blitz…

Episode 52 covers the May 9th media blitz of Wrath of the Lich King info. Shout out to Matticus for his thoughts on the media blitz and for his insane ability to read mass data in a short time. Download……

]]> By: The Pulse: Definitions of an Epic Encounter : World of Matticus http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8886 The Pulse: Definitions of an Epic Encounter : World of Matticus Tue, 13 May 2008 14:40:41 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8886 [...] I mention how much I love this web app yet? Several days ago, I posted my thoughts on the new information released about Wrath of the Lich King. The night after, I went to a birthday party with a few friends. Some of them were former WoW [...] [...] I mention how much I love this web app yet? Several days ago, I posted my thoughts on the new information released about Wrath of the Lich King. The night after, I went to a birthday party with a few friends. Some of them were former WoW [...]

]]> By: Matford, Nagrand http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8878 Matford, Nagrand Tue, 13 May 2008 03:54:37 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8878 One other misconception I'm seeing, that it will take less time commitment to raid 10 man content than 25 man content. Why? When I was raiding Kara we did it two to three nights a week until we learned it and could do it in one night. Now I'm in a 25 man guild and we're raiding three nights a week. I accept that current end game content requires more time per week, we're not there yet. Where is the evidence that the future 10 and 25 man raids will require different time commitments? One other misconception I’m seeing, that it will take less time commitment to raid 10 man content than 25 man content.

Why? When I was raiding Kara we did it two to three nights a week until we learned it and could do it in one night. Now I’m in a 25 man guild and we’re raiding three nights a week.

I accept that current end game content requires more time per week, we’re not there yet. Where is the evidence that the future 10 and 25 man raids will require different time commitments?

]]> By: Matford, Nagrand http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8877 Matford, Nagrand Tue, 13 May 2008 03:51:30 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8877 The only reason I'm in a 25 man raiding guild is because that's the only raiding content left available to me. I much prefer raiding in ten mans. Heck my favorite instances are five man heroics, I doubt I'm alone in my preference. There are many guilds who do not progress beyond Kara because of the difficulties that are inherent in turning a ten man raiding guild in to a 25 man raiding guild. Props to the guilds that pull it off but most stagnate, implode or become breeding grounds for 25 man raiders. Allowing guilds to stay together to the end is a smart move. The only reason I’m in a 25 man raiding guild is because that’s the only raiding content left available to me. I much prefer raiding in ten mans. Heck my favorite instances are five man heroics, I doubt I’m alone in my preference.

There are many guilds who do not progress beyond Kara because of the difficulties that are inherent in turning a ten man raiding guild in to a 25 man raiding guild. Props to the guilds that pull it off but most stagnate, implode or become breeding grounds for 25 man raiders. Allowing guilds to stay together to the end is a smart move.

]]> By: Graylo http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8862 Graylo Mon, 12 May 2008 13:32:20 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8862 @Matticus No doubt 25 man raiding will still exist, because there are plenty of people that will want to be able to say they have cleared the game in 25 man content. However, I think there are quite a few people that run 25 mans purely to see stuff and won't feel the need to run it on 25 mans. Sure active guilds will have a leg up, but they will be affected by this also. What happens when you need to recruit? This will definately reduce the number of possible applicants. Look through your guild roster. Are you sure none of them are busy enough to give up 25 man raiding if they could see it in 10 man content? Also I really don't see how this helps casuals in the long run. I agree that 10 will be less difficult then 25 mans. They have to be, but who says that 10-man #2 won't be a big step up from Naxx10. I look at Kara and ZA right now. There are a log of guild that can clear Kara easily but still can't kill Hex Lord in ZA. @Matticus

No doubt 25 man raiding will still exist, because there are plenty of people that will want to be able to say they have cleared the game in 25 man content. However, I think there are quite a few people that run 25 mans purely to see stuff and won’t feel the need to run it on 25 mans. Sure active guilds will have a leg up, but they will be affected by this also. What happens when you need to recruit? This will definately reduce the number of possible applicants. Look through your guild roster. Are you sure none of them are busy enough to give up 25 man raiding if they could see
it in 10 man content?

Also I really don’t see how this helps casuals in the long run. I agree that 10 will be less difficult then 25 mans. They have to be, but who says that 10-man #2 won’t be a big step up from Naxx10. I look at Kara and ZA right now. There are a log of guild that can clear Kara easily but still can’t kill Hex Lord in ZA.

]]> By: Rovasti http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8855 Rovasti Sat, 10 May 2008 22:41:54 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8855 Personally i am bit worried that 10man content will eat interest and manpower from 25mans. I like 25 mans, and i am in guild who is going to give a shot to Kael'thas today. Anyway i can't not agree that many guilds don't have manpower for 10mans and they prob deserve to get more than one or two raid instances to run. But i think there is 2 options where to choose. Either from 3-4 raid instances doesn't exist 10man versions or loots should be dramatically better. Example that tier7 can be get from 10mans and higer from that needs to get from 25mans... Personally i am bit worried that 10man content will eat interest and manpower from 25mans.

I like 25 mans, and i am in guild who is going to give a shot to Kael’thas today.

Anyway i can’t not agree that many guilds don’t have manpower for 10mans and they prob deserve to get more than one or two raid instances to run. But i think there is 2 options where to choose. Either from 3-4 raid instances doesn’t exist 10man versions or loots should be dramatically better. Example that tier7 can be get from 10mans and higer from that needs to get from 25mans…

]]> By: Apathy http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8852 Apathy Sat, 10 May 2008 15:55:15 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8852 I think the 10-man/25-man is an idea with an incredible amount of potential, but I will hold off anything besides very general judgments because, let's face it, none of us know the details. The devil--and angels--are in the details. :P Still, I highly doubt 25-man raiding will disappear. I think the 10-man/25-man is an idea with an incredible amount of potential, but I will hold off anything besides very general judgments because, let’s face it, none of us know the details. The devil–and angels–are in the details. :P

Still, I highly doubt 25-man raiding will disappear.

]]> By: Arduanne http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8851 Arduanne Sat, 10 May 2008 13:36:46 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2008/05/09/gamespy-wrath-of-the-lich-king-new-info-and-reaction/#comment-8851 I am SO excited for the 10/25 change. Our group has had Kara on farm for a long time and we have downed ZJ and gotten 2 timers down in ZA. We simply don't have the manpower with our current rules system to do 25 man events. Those of us that want to see that stuff pug it. This will give us content that we have wanted to see but didn't have the manpower for and it will let us show progression across more than just 2 instances :D The 10s and 25s are also going to be on different timers so if the 25 man guilds want to do the 10s on off nights they can. On the same note if a 10 man guild wanted to pull in some extra guildies and pugs and do the 25 mans they can do that too. I am sure there will be nuance differences between the two but having done it in one format should feed pretty well to the 2nd. They did say to expect the 10 mans to be VERY challenging. This won't be the new UBRS. Much like many guilds had problems with the progression from Kara to ZA that had not run 25 mans, you will see those same guild have problems progressing in Wrath. For those of us who enjoy that challenge however, we won't get stuck having to make choices between our friends/family and our progression. I am SO excited for the 10/25 change. Our group has had Kara on farm for a long time and we have downed ZJ and gotten 2 timers down in ZA. We simply don’t have the manpower with our current rules system to do 25 man events. Those of us that want to see that stuff pug it.

This will give us content that we have wanted to see but didn’t have the manpower for and it will let us show progression across more than just 2 instances :D

The 10s and 25s are also going to be on different timers so if the 25 man guilds want to do the 10s on off nights they can. On the same note if a 10 man guild wanted to pull in some extra guildies and pugs and do the 25 mans they can do that too. I am sure there will be nuance differences between the two but having done it in one format should feed pretty well to the 2nd.

They did say to expect the 10 mans to be VERY challenging. This won’t be the new UBRS. Much like many guilds had problems with the progression from Kara to ZA that had not run 25 mans, you will see those same guild have problems progressing in Wrath. For those of us who enjoy that challenge however, we won’t get stuck having to make choices between our friends/family and our progression.

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