also read people it says buffed stats……

so 11k health is easy..my fury war has 2 kara epics and the rest high 60s greens/blues (i just dinged) and i hit 11k fully buffed.
and 28% crit fully buffed in the same gear.

these numbers do look like T6, whoever said that

Also, for every tank, dodge is the most desirable avoidance to work on, as it mitigates the most damage.

9868 health
7153 mana
1889 AP
122 hit (will reach about 130 or so when I gem the new legs)
26.48% crit

Raid buffed I hit about:
11k health
7500 mana
2100 to about 2200+ AP depending on buffs
and about 30% crit (35% if I can get leader of the pack).

The gear is a mix of PVP, T4/Kara, T5 (gloves), rep gear and Trollbane from ZA.
I’m still working on the T5 helm and badge ring to round out some of the numbers. I do have all of the good enchants, but some of my gems could be better. I believe this is realistic gear to have post Kara (not the T5 gloves, but the badge gloves are slightly better stats albeit without the chance for a set bonus).

You won’t have all of the badge gear by the time you get the Kara/Gruuls/Mags gear but keep running it and heroics for those badges.

Armory here:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sentinels&n=Asesinonoche

Great guide Matticus. You put in your own knowledge/experience where you could and left the door open for constructive criticism to help round out what numbers are possible for the other classes. Too bad some rude Trolls found their way here.

Like the guide, its great. I just had a little problem with the hunters though.

I have a BM hunter in kara/badge gear with 26% crit, 1850 AP, and 142 hit (capped) that can pull of over 1k dps easily with raid buffs and flasks. So in order to help you out, I’ll put down what I believe to be the minimum stats you [should] have for ZA for hunters so you could be able to replace what you have written.

BM-
1800 AP
24% crit (at least)
As BM (and for any hunter for that matter) you should be hit capped, it really is your primary stat to aim for if you don’t have it capped yet.

MM-
2100+ AP
24% crit (not sure on that)
Hit capped

SV-
1800-1900 AP (not sure either, never gone SV)
30% crit (at least)
850+ Agility, this is crucial, and its probably not even a good idea to take an SV hunter over another dps since you won’t get a good amount of added raid dps due to only a few physical dpsers in ZA. (SV hunter don’t flame me xD)

As for health and mana I don’t see how a hunter with those kind of stats cannot have at least 9k health and 6.5k mana minimum.

Hope this info kinda helps, anyone else feel free to comment and fix the MM or SV section, but I think the BM stats are dead on =)

I presume that you mean talented crit in your chosen spell school. My fire mage has a base of 19.7% crit but in fire is 29.7%. He has one piece of crafted gear (spellstrike hood) and the ZA chest cape. Otherwise all his gear is either rep rewards, kara or heroic. Gems are blues. He is hit capped and has most of the desirable enchants. His unbuffed stats are:
Health: 7500+
Mana: 8800+
Spell damage (when hit capped) 956
Crit (with Molten armor) 19.7%
HIs buffed heath and mana generally exceed your minimums and I usually raid with Sup wiz oil, spell food, and elixirs. I use the scryers blood gem to hit cap so I have at least one blue.

I have no problem with your basic numbers, but want to point out that because they are buffed values they are pretty easily reached without badge gear provided you gem and enchant wisely.

40-42% dodge is likely excessive for starting ZA (my bear has 43 but yeh, 4 pc t6 etc). As buffed stats proberly about right, mebbe a bit high still. 30k armor sounds about right.

And kek, 65% buffed dodge in what gear? I’ve had a few people say “omgz my m8 haz liek 55% unbuff dodge in hiz gears ololool” *armory – 32%* etc. To get your dodge up that high is serious endgame gear, by that stage you probably dont need anything but sunwell. Dont get me wrong, oh shit trinkets get you up to 80%, but yeh.

And ‘omgz that much dodge, most R crushes!!’. Aye, but you’re only getting hit 30% of the time, so a 10k crush every n seconds is still less damage than taking another swath of non crushes. I’ve lasted ridiculous lengths of times without a heal with all my trinkets/idols activated. A bears shield wall :p.