Comments on: WoW Struggles: The Undergeared http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/ Where healers come first Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:49:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: miary http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-8160 miary Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:11:27 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-8160 hmz, i couldent have had much more than 1200+ heal if that much, when starting and clearing ZA on my priest, barely 100 mp5, but with a mana battery in the group, staying high on the meter was no issue. By the time i'd hit 1500+ healing, 140 mp5 i'd bypassed even the 2k healing easily hmz, i couldent have had much more than 1200+ heal if that much, when starting and clearing ZA on my priest, barely 100 mp5, but with a mana battery in the group, staying high on the meter was no issue.
By the time i’d hit 1500+ healing, 140 mp5 i’d bypassed even the 2k healing easily

]]> By: 2007 Best of World of Matticus | World of Matticus http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-6063 2007 Best of World of Matticus | World of Matticus Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:03:02 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-6063 [...] Calandris: So with all these points I only saw one clear post from Malva bout what minimum healer specs should be.... [...] [...] Calandris: So with all these points I only saw one clear post from Malva bout what minimum healer specs should be…. [...]

]]> By: Calandris http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-6056 Calandris Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:15:23 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-6056 So with all these points I only saw one clear post from Malva bout what minimum healer specs should be. Yes yes I know its all about the skill and the other healers and the tank and blah blah blah. But some nice bufed or unbuffed numbers from more than one person would really be nice. Our 10 man raid is getting ready for ZA and it woudl be nice to know what i need improvement on, a few different opinions. unbuffed I am 9K mana 7K health +1800 healing 186 mp5 while casting Calandris - Priest So with all these points I only saw one clear post from Malva bout what minimum healer specs should be. Yes yes I know its all about the skill and the other healers and the tank and blah blah blah. But some nice bufed or unbuffed numbers from more than one person would really be nice. Our 10 man raid is getting ready for ZA and it woudl be nice to know what i need improvement on, a few different opinions.

unbuffed I am
9K mana
7K health
+1800 healing
186 mp5 while casting

Calandris – Priest

]]> By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-6009 Matticus! Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:46:14 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-6009 My goal is to get ZulJin down by New Years. My goal is to get ZulJin down by New Years.

]]> By: Kulrayk http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-6007 Kulrayk Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:34:26 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-6007 Also, here is a few wwstats logs to show you how much of a pain ZA is. <a href="http://wowwebstats.com/6aa1ujj2cjwne" rel="nofollow">20th December</a> <a href="http://wowwebstats.com/u1crjgamhk36i" rel="nofollow">13th friday</a> PAIN >< Also, here is a few wwstats logs to show you how much of a pain ZA is.

20th December
13th friday

PAIN ><

]]> By: Kulrayk http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-6006 Kulrayk Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:25:53 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-6006 I currently am in Post Kara gear, about +1650 (or more) plus healing unbuffed, and I STILL have problems with ZA. Mind you, ZA doesn't seem very pally friendly. :) I currently am in Post Kara gear, about +1650 (or more) plus healing unbuffed, and I STILL have problems with ZA. Mind you, ZA doesn’t seem very pally friendly. :)

]]> By: Doc Holiday http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-5991 Doc Holiday Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:49:37 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-5991 I think the main problem besides the gear was the fact the Healer was an ALT and his main was a Rogue. His dispelling was terrible and his healing was sub par. What he needed to do was Learn to play his class by doing Heroics and Kara. Raiding in wow is about getting progressively better in Gear and skill and the ways we do that is by doing the appropriate level instance for our gear and skill. I have been tanking on my paladin for almost a month now. I have never tanked in my life. I pretty much played a Hunter for the past 2 years all the way to BT/Hyjal. I can tell I am STILL learning how to tank effectively as the game goes on. So when a 1200+ Healing ALT healer asks to come along to ZA again I will say no go do Heroics and kara and learn to play first I think the main problem besides the gear was the fact the Healer was an ALT and his main was a Rogue. His dispelling was terrible and his healing was sub par.

What he needed to do was Learn to play his class by doing Heroics and Kara.

Raiding in wow is about getting progressively better in Gear and skill and the ways we do that is by doing the appropriate level instance for our gear and skill.

I have been tanking on my paladin for almost a month now. I have never tanked in my life. I pretty much played a Hunter for the past 2 years all the way to BT/Hyjal. I can tell I am STILL learning how to tank effectively as the game goes on.

So when a 1200+ Healing ALT healer asks to come along to ZA again I will say no go do Heroics and kara and learn to play first

]]> By: Kirk http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-5990 Kirk Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:17:06 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-5990 Matt, it's not that the numbers aren't useful, it's that people being people tend to get wrapped in the numbers over the results -- and worse, tend to take the "easy" numbers as the reason results aren't what they should be instead of digging. FWIW, I really, really like recount -- the graphing, especially, is awesome. I just can't run it on my current computer unless I want to run SSC at a framerate of less than 5. (Yes, that means I am overjoyed when everything is so right that I approach 20 fps. I suspect that when I can add reaction to intuition and anticipation I'll be even better...) Matt, it’s not that the numbers aren’t useful, it’s that people being people tend to get wrapped in the numbers over the results — and worse, tend to take the “easy” numbers as the reason results aren’t what they should be instead of digging.

FWIW, I really, really like recount — the graphing, especially, is awesome. I just can’t run it on my current computer unless I want to run SSC at a framerate of less than 5. (Yes, that means I am overjoyed when everything is so right that I approach 20 fps. I suspect that when I can add reaction to intuition and anticipation I’ll be even better…)

]]> By: Gwaendar http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-5989 Gwaendar Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:06:47 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-5989 Interestingly enough when talking about peer pressure, back in the 60-68 range when I was still prot, there was a group of people in the same level range I had PUGed with through several instances, and when one of them /w me for a new one either to tank or heal for them, there'd be respect if I told him I wasn't confident in my gear for that one. From the guild, though, the pressure (but in part the implied one, that is, the one I believe to be subject to even if it's unspoken) is a lot higher. Interestingly enough when talking about peer pressure, back in the 60-68 range when I was still prot, there was a group of people in the same level range I had PUGed with through several instances, and when one of them /w me for a new one either to tank or heal for them, there’d be respect if I told him I wasn’t confident in my gear for that one. From the guild, though, the pressure (but in part the implied one, that is, the one I believe to be subject to even if it’s unspoken) is a lot higher.

]]> By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/comment-page-1/#comment-5988 Matticus! Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:39:53 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/12/21/wow-struggles-the-undergeared/#comment-5988 Kirk, no worries, rant away. I just withheld a lot of data from this post. The reason we did okay and had no serious problems on the bear boss, is this: I had over 2000 healing, and my resto druid had 1800+ healing. With numbers like that, we could easily carry an undergeared 3rd healer. Do I like it? No, because there's so much effort required. In theory, what should've happened here is that I would be last on the meters. Paladins shouldn't be flash healing for a little over 1000. I used to agree with you before about meters. I had the same stance that they were not doing anything useful at all in anyway. But then I Recount which had meters of any kind. It could check whose been dispelling, how the tanks were dying, whose taking extra damage from stuff, and it happened to come with healing and DPS meters. The screenshot pictured above is an example of one of the meters that I used. I can't remember where it was taken. It might've been a few pulls after the boss. When I got to the Lynx boss, I had to call for an innervate at the first 75%. Bear boss is nothing but a test. It only gets harder from there. Did the Pally do well? He did okay as best as he could but I should never have taken him in there in the first place. Hielo, Ahtryn, Malva, thanks for your opinions. I'll note them down in a future post. Galo, I'm glad I'm not the only one whose ran into such problems. It's nice to hear there are players humble enough to know when to say no. Yesterday the instance was Heroic Steamvaults. We ran in there with my Shaman healing alt and the rest of my guild (also on alts). We wiped twice on trash pulls before I bit the bullet and brought in the heavy artillery (my Priest). From there on out, it went absolutely smoothly. Kirk, no worries, rant away. I just withheld a lot of data from this post. The reason we did okay and had no serious problems on the bear boss, is this:

I had over 2000 healing, and my resto druid had 1800+ healing. With numbers like that, we could easily carry an undergeared 3rd healer. Do I like it? No, because there’s so much effort required. In theory, what should’ve happened here is that I would be last on the meters. Paladins shouldn’t be flash healing for a little over 1000.

I used to agree with you before about meters. I had the same stance that they were not doing anything useful at all in anyway. But then I Recount which had meters of any kind. It could check whose been dispelling, how the tanks were dying, whose taking extra damage from stuff, and it happened to come with healing and DPS meters.

The screenshot pictured above is an example of one of the meters that I used. I can’t remember where it was taken. It might’ve been a few pulls after the boss.

When I got to the Lynx boss, I had to call for an innervate at the first 75%. Bear boss is nothing but a test. It only gets harder from there.

Did the Pally do well? He did okay as best as he could but I should never have taken him in there in the first place.

Hielo, Ahtryn, Malva, thanks for your opinions. I’ll note them down in a future post.

Galo, I’m glad I’m not the only one whose ran into such problems. It’s nice to hear there are players humble enough to know when to say no. Yesterday the instance was Heroic Steamvaults. We ran in there with my Shaman healing alt and the rest of my guild (also on alts). We wiped twice on trash pulls before I bit the bullet and brought in the heavy artillery (my Priest). From there on out, it went absolutely smoothly.

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