Comments on: The Ill-fated Group 2 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/ Where healers come first Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:36:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7395 Matticus! Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:49:29 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-7395 John: I would totally bug out of that guild. John: I would totally bug out of that guild.

]]> By: John http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7388 John Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:06:54 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-7388 Yeah, we have been having troubles with our "group 2" for a while now. Our problem is that in our guild, all the senior officers run in group 1 and are now overgeared for the place. But they wont split up and support 2 groups, so we end up with a group that barely scrapes together enough tanks and healers to make a go of it. Then the officers want to gear up thier alts, they do it coasting through on group 1 being carried through the instance rather tahn working for it again with group 2. Finally, while group 2 has made 3 different attepts to get off the ground, we only ever get 1 attack at kara, because inevitably, one of the senior officers scuttles it by gkicking one of our essential tanks/healers, or tying them up in heroics when we scedule kara runs. Then we have to listen to these same officers bitch and moan about how they only have 11 geared players that are ready to do 25man raids, and why are the rest of us so slow and lazy?? Time for a new guild I think... :( (Not to sound like a /roll blame guy, but we have an officer to spy for us. we KNOW they are scuttling on purpose, mostly to be spiteful to one or two other players in group 2, and we cant get rid of those officers, so its a rock/hard place thing to stay, but all of our group 2 recruits are minimally kara geared, and we dont have a lot of options anymore, everyone wants better geared recruits than we can field :( ) Yeah, we have been having troubles with our “group 2″ for a while now.

Our problem is that in our guild, all the senior officers run in group 1 and are now overgeared for the place. But they wont split up and support 2 groups, so we end up with a group that barely scrapes together enough tanks and healers to make a go of it. Then the officers want to gear up thier alts, they do it coasting through on group 1 being carried through the instance rather tahn working for it again with group 2.

Finally, while group 2 has made 3 different attepts to get off the ground, we only ever get 1 attack at kara, because inevitably, one of the senior officers scuttles it by gkicking one of our essential tanks/healers, or tying them up in heroics when we scedule kara runs.

Then we have to listen to these same officers bitch and moan about how they only have 11 geared players that are ready to do 25man raids, and why are the rest of us so slow and lazy??

Time for a new guild I think… :(

(Not to sound like a /roll blame guy, but we have an officer to spy for us. we KNOW they are scuttling on purpose, mostly to be spiteful to one or two other players in group 2, and we cant get rid of those officers, so its a rock/hard place thing to stay, but all of our group 2 recruits are minimally kara geared, and we dont have a lot of options anymore, everyone wants better geared recruits than we can field :( )

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]]> By: Doc Holiday http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4928 Doc Holiday Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:53:44 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4928 Your probably not going to have that problem so much anymore but if you are here's my suggestions Tanks Prot warrior+Druid or prot pally is pretty sweet combo. Prot Warriors can single tank better then any class in the game IMO. Druids and Prot pally's are awesome at multi mob tanking. Healers This is the big problem especially for Karazhan. So many guilds go into Kara undergeared and stack priests early on because they can shackle undead. What ends up happening is your second group is stuck without and shackles. DPS Bringing 4 Warlocks is not acceptable. I remember doing a Kara with my Alt Lock and they had brought 4 locks because there "THE BESTEST DPS" needless to say I left the group fast. All classes are valuble except Ret Pallies :D My first Kara experiance was with a group consisting of Prot Warrior Feral Druid BM Hunter MM Hunter Enhancement Shammy Frost Mage Affliction Lock Rogue Holy Pally Resto Shaman Resto Shaman It was a pug group and we were the first ones on the server to down Prince. That group became a guild after because our respective guilds were to busy stacking groups Your probably not going to have that problem so much anymore but if you are here’s my suggestions

Tanks
Prot warrior+Druid or prot pally is pretty sweet combo. Prot Warriors can single tank better then any class in the game IMO. Druids and Prot pally’s are awesome at multi mob tanking.

Healers
This is the big problem especially for Karazhan. So many guilds go into Kara undergeared and stack priests early on because they can shackle undead. What ends up happening is your second group is stuck without and shackles.

DPS
Bringing 4 Warlocks is not acceptable. I remember doing a Kara with my Alt Lock and they had brought 4 locks because there “THE BESTEST DPS” needless to say I left the group fast. All classes are valuble except Ret Pallies :D

My first Kara experiance was with a group consisting of

Prot Warrior
Feral Druid
BM Hunter
MM Hunter
Enhancement Shammy
Frost Mage
Affliction Lock
Rogue
Holy Pally
Resto Shaman
Resto Shaman

It was a pug group and we were the first ones on the server to down Prince.

That group became a guild after because our respective guilds were to busy stacking groups

]]> By: Matticus http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4927 Matticus Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:39:19 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4927 Personally, I think Alpha Team and Bravo Team have a nice ring to it. But that's too much Clancy for me speaking. Personally, I think Alpha Team and Bravo Team have a nice ring to it. But that’s too much Clancy for me speaking.

]]> By: Samiresa http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4919 Samiresa Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:56:10 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4919 Group 2, the illfated group 2. With my old guild Group 2 started as the filler group and ended up being the progress group. But there are ongoing problems with that name "group 2". With a new guild and a new outlook I find a few ways to fix things..FIRST don't name them group 1 and group 2..let people decide what names they want their group to be...personally we use Team Panda and Team Charlie. People in both groups seem to be happy, and progressing at a good rate, with neither group being dominant at the moment. Its a nice change. Make sure that you spread your most geared players out, it might slow their progression, but remind them that it gets them into the 25 mans faster and somehow they will find a way to get on. Group 2, the illfated group 2. With my old guild Group 2 started as the filler group and ended up being the progress group. But there are ongoing problems with that name “group 2″. With a new guild and a new outlook I find a few ways to fix things..FIRST don’t name them group 1 and group 2..let people decide what names they want their group to be…personally we use Team Panda and Team Charlie. People in both groups seem to be happy, and progressing at a good rate, with neither group being dominant at the moment. Its a nice change.

Make sure that you spread your most geared players out, it might slow their progression, but remind them that it gets them into the 25 mans faster and somehow they will find a way to get on.

]]> By: Matticus http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4828 Matticus Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:24:03 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4828 Theres always a variety of reasons for why Group 2 will fail. But regardless of the reason, it seems to happen. =( The great thing is that Group 1 seems to always complain about is that they're never able to do Gruul because half the raid doesn't NEED kara anymore and the other half isn't able to survive because of... like you said, lack of gear. Theres always a variety of reasons for why Group 2 will fail. But regardless of the reason, it seems to happen. =(

The great thing is that Group 1 seems to always complain about is that they’re never able to do Gruul because half the raid doesn’t NEED kara anymore and the other half isn’t able to survive because of… like you said, lack of gear.

]]> By: Leiandra http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4826 Leiandra Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:17:16 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4826 Dude... quit spying on my guild. :) I will say that I don't think it was a lack of skill... just a lack of gear. Dude… quit spying on my guild. :)

I will say that I don’t think it was a lack of skill… just a lack of gear.

]]> By: Calandris http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4823 Calandris Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:55:40 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/01/the-ill-fated-group-2/#comment-4823 Ahh yes, I was in group two on my mage and we went through the issues. But the main issue was lack of commitment from our guild. people from guild didn't want to go with group two..till we started trying prince. But at that time group two consisted of half guildies and half nont-guildies. Well we chose not to dump those non guildies that had stuck with us through the good and bad and that upset the guild (the same guild who gave zero support in teh beginning). All of a sudden we were bringing down the guild. Group 1 was ready for Gruul and Mag and group 1 made sure to schedule Gruul and Mag on group twos days to go to Kara. Needless to say, me and 4 other guild friends (group2) quit and rerolled on another server. (we were horde on a heavy alliace server so no other guilds fit. We are about to become group 2 on the new server with a new guild. Lets hope this goes better but at least we have a bigger pop to choose guilds from this time around around if things dont go well. Ahh yes, I was in group two on my mage and we went through the issues. But the main issue was lack of commitment from our guild. people from guild didn’t want to go with group two..till we started trying prince. But at that time group two consisted of half guildies and half nont-guildies. Well we chose not to dump those non guildies that had stuck with us through the good and bad and that upset the guild (the same guild who gave zero support in teh beginning). All of a sudden we were bringing down the guild. Group 1 was ready for Gruul and Mag and group 1 made sure to schedule Gruul and Mag on group twos days to go to Kara.

Needless to say, me and 4 other guild friends (group2) quit and rerolled on another server. (we were horde on a heavy alliace server so no other guilds fit.

We are about to become group 2 on the new server with a new guild. Lets hope this goes better but at least we have a bigger pop to choose guilds from this time around around if things dont go well.

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