Comments on: My Nightmare as a Priest http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/ Where healers come first Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:31:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aowin http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4459 Aowin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:39:04 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4459 As a Shadow priest now. I observed that when i m in raid (10 man)/groups. Returning mana is to the healers is good althou i m still observing that priest's mana pool burns much faster then a pally or shammy. It must be due to the chain casting required that disallow a priest to follow the 5SR thingie that is causing them to OOM more. And for the grouping part. I did a heroic mech last night with a pally and his mana pool didn't drop below the 80% mark the whole run except for the part before the last boss. Since i can't stop MF-ing for a drink. xD As a Shadow priest now.
I observed that when i m in raid (10 man)/groups.
Returning mana is to the healers is good althou i m still observing that priest’s mana pool burns much faster then a pally or shammy.
It must be due to the chain casting required that disallow a priest to follow the 5SR thingie that is causing them to OOM more.
And for the grouping part.
I did a heroic mech last night with a pally and his mana pool didn’t drop below the 80% mark the whole run except for the part before the last boss. Since i can’t stop MF-ing for a drink. xD

]]> By: Galadria http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4337 Galadria Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:38:46 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4337 I feel the need to add another commen here. I haven't done any 25-mans so I can't comment on that content. I think you'd be gimping yourself to go with out at least one of all the healing classes. Each has strengths and weaknesses. If a Druid or Shaman goes down and Priest can easily pick up that group healing slack. If a Pally goes down again the Priest can take over. The Priest can do either job on their own as well. Maybe I'm just really good at mana management, but I've never needed Innervate and I can usually go as long as the Pally if not longer. As for Holy Nova... to me that's not a raiding talent. I used it back when all I was doing was 5-mans, but I don't have it any more. I agree, I've never found a situation where I needed it in a raid, but that doesn't make it worthless. Maybe my lack of expirence farther along in the raiding content is skewing my perception... but I just don't understand the aversion to Holy Priests. I feel the need to add another commen here. I haven’t done any 25-mans so I can’t comment on that content. I think you’d be gimping yourself to go with out at least one of all the healing classes. Each has strengths and weaknesses. If a Druid or Shaman goes down and Priest can easily pick up that group healing slack. If a Pally goes down again the Priest can take over. The Priest can do either job on their own as well. Maybe I’m just really good at mana management, but I’ve never needed Innervate and I can usually go as long as the Pally if not longer.

As for Holy Nova… to me that’s not a raiding talent. I used it back when all I was doing was 5-mans, but I don’t have it any more. I agree, I’ve never found a situation where I needed it in a raid, but that doesn’t make it worthless.

Maybe my lack of expirence farther along in the raiding content is skewing my perception… but I just don’t understand the aversion to Holy Priests.

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]]> By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4333 Matticus! Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:13:48 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4333 <em>Notlok</em>: Yeah, I think this is an evolutionary stage for Priests at the moment. Before Burning Crusade, Priests were THE standard in Raids. Shadow Priests were scarce and few and far in between. At the rate we're going right now, I do think we will be extinct. Our class is no longer the super power of healing as we were once known as. Now we are just a support class. We're the last line in healing defense. Just like Roberto Luongo, we save (Except he hasn't been saving much). Notlok: Yeah, I think this is an evolutionary stage for Priests at the moment. Before Burning Crusade, Priests were THE standard in Raids. Shadow Priests were scarce and few and far in between. At the rate we’re going right now, I do think we will be extinct. Our class is no longer the super power of healing as we were once known as. Now we are just a support class. We’re the last line in healing defense.

Just like Roberto Luongo, we save (Except he hasn’t been saving much).

]]> By: Elinor http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4331 Elinor Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:24:08 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4331 Thanks for the info guys. I was not aware at all of the stacking spell crit gear, with illumination. This has been very insightful. I might have to play around with some different specs on my pally now :-) Thanks for the info guys. I was not aware at all of the stacking spell crit gear, with illumination. This has been very insightful.

I might have to play around with some different specs on my pally now :-)

]]> By: Notlok http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4329 Notlok Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4329 This conversation really interest me. I am currently a Holy Priest and have considered strongly going to the dark side. I just wanted to ask question, do you think this an intentional progression of the game by Blizzard? I as well hate the thought of having a main healing class driven to extinction by the hybrid classes. This conversation really interest me. I am currently a Holy Priest and have considered strongly going to the dark side. I just wanted to ask question, do you think this an intentional progression of the game by Blizzard? I as well hate the thought of having a main healing class driven to extinction by the hybrid classes.

]]> By: Athryn http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4328 Athryn Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:30:40 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4328 What Matticus said in regards to Illumination and Pallies is very correct. I have about 20% crit chance on my Paladin now (and I'm not really that well geared yet) and I am getting back 108 mana on a flash of light and 500something on a Holy Light crit. We also gain mana if we take damage and someone else heals us, so if we're in a group with a Shadow priest, for instance, we get some nice mana regen going. There are definitely times when we do start running low on mana (our fight on Nightbane last night was a great example) but overall it is miles away from the constantly oom my priest was. I also planned ahead and picked up Alchemy with my Paladin, and use an Alchemist's Stone, which gives me quite an oomph when I need to chug a pot. What Matticus said in regards to Illumination and Pallies is very correct. I have about 20% crit chance on my Paladin now (and I’m not really that well geared yet) and I am getting back 108 mana on a flash of light and 500something on a Holy Light crit. We also gain mana if we take damage and someone else heals us, so if we’re in a group with a Shadow priest, for instance, we get some nice mana regen going. There are definitely times when we do start running low on mana (our fight on Nightbane last night was a great example) but overall it is miles away from the constantly oom my priest was.

I also planned ahead and picked up Alchemy with my Paladin, and use an Alchemist’s Stone, which gives me quite an oomph when I need to chug a pot.

]]> By: Pwyff http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4313 Pwyff Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:23:53 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4313 Just so you know; Druids are absolutely terrible at mana efficiency, lacking any and all methods of actively gaining our mana back. Not only this, but I can almost guarantee we'll never be in the 5second rule, rolling lifeblooms simply doesn't allow it. What we -are- good for is creating safe buffer zones for other healers to heal through. Take a Tree of Life Druid, put them on MT + raid healing, tell him to stack spirit and burn his innervates on himself. Ultimately you get very efficient raid heals combined with about 1000-1300 HP per second rolling on the main tank. Paladins are, in my opinion, the batteries reserved for healing guys that take alot of damage; their mana can handle it, and they can simply keep going. Shamans are extremely good at raid healing, to the point where I'd say that's almost all they're good for, except perhaps 1 shaman LHW spamming the tank for that armor crit proc. I see priests as the hybrid of these guys; they're capable of keeping a solid instant cast slew of spells in order to cut down on spike damage, as well as GHeal bombing while the Paladins FoL spam with a Druid HoT rolling buffer. The only problem is that obviously you're going to suffer on the healing meters. I just like to think of you as being less efficient, but ultimately still very capable of helping the raid. PW:S and PoM in themselves are far faster 'instant heal' spells over a Druid's slow HoT, or a Pally's 1.5s FoL or Shaman's 1.5s LHW. More instants mean less guys dying to spike damage. Just so you know; Druids are absolutely terrible at mana efficiency, lacking any and all methods of actively gaining our mana back. Not only this, but I can almost guarantee we’ll never be in the 5second rule, rolling lifeblooms simply doesn’t allow it.

What we -are- good for is creating safe buffer zones for other healers to heal through. Take a Tree of Life Druid, put them on MT + raid healing, tell him to stack spirit and burn his innervates on himself.

Ultimately you get very efficient raid heals combined with about 1000-1300 HP per second rolling on the main tank.

Paladins are, in my opinion, the batteries reserved for healing guys that take alot of damage; their mana can handle it, and they can simply keep going.

Shamans are extremely good at raid healing, to the point where I’d say that’s almost all they’re good for, except perhaps 1 shaman LHW spamming the tank for that armor crit proc.

I see priests as the hybrid of these guys; they’re capable of keeping a solid instant cast slew of spells in order to cut down on spike damage, as well as GHeal bombing while the Paladins FoL spam with a Druid HoT rolling buffer.

The only problem is that obviously you’re going to suffer on the healing meters. I just like to think of you as being less efficient, but ultimately still very capable of helping the raid.

PW:S and PoM in themselves are far faster ‘instant heal’ spells over a Druid’s slow HoT, or a Pally’s 1.5s FoL or Shaman’s 1.5s LHW. More instants mean less guys dying to spike damage.

]]> By: Matticus! http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4300 Matticus! Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:14:21 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4300 The build centers around a Paladin Flash of Light spamming. They have a talent called Illumination: <em>After getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Shock or Holy Light spell, gives a 20%-100% chance to gain mana equal to the base cost of the spell.</em> That is the entire source of their efficiency. I think the recent patch nerfed it down to 60% or something, I don't remember. But all Paladins need to do is stack a ton of spell critical gear. If you couple it with a down ranked flash of light, along with a Blessing of Light on their assignment, there's a lot of healing power applied without much expenditure depending on how much the spell crits. So yeah, Paladin casts Flash of Light, it crits for 1400, they gain 60% mana back. I don't think Pallies overheal as much as Priests do. All thats' required of them is continual spamming of Flash of Light rank 5 or something. As a Priest, our job is to bomb heal and over heal like crazy on intensive fights. So the Paladins help sustain health on a tank after he takes a huge hit and keep it level as much as possible while we're relied on to shoot up the tank from 50% back to 100%. The build centers around a Paladin Flash of Light spamming. They have a talent called Illumination:

After getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Shock or Holy Light spell, gives a 20%-100% chance to gain mana equal to the base cost of the spell.

That is the entire source of their efficiency. I think the recent patch nerfed it down to 60% or something, I don’t remember. But all Paladins need to do is stack a ton of spell critical gear. If you couple it with a down ranked flash of light, along with a Blessing of Light on their assignment, there’s a lot of healing power applied without much expenditure depending on how much the spell crits. So yeah, Paladin casts Flash of Light, it crits for 1400, they gain 60% mana back.

I don’t think Pallies overheal as much as Priests do. All thats’ required of them is continual spamming of Flash of Light rank 5 or something. As a Priest, our job is to bomb heal and over heal like crazy on intensive fights. So the Paladins help sustain health on a tank after he takes a huge hit and keep it level as much as possible while we’re relied on to shoot up the tank from 50% back to 100%.

]]> By: Elinor http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-4296 Elinor Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:54:25 +0000 http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/10/22/my-nightmare-as-a-priest/#comment-4296 Since it was my comment that started this whole thing, I hope you don't mind me chiming in. First off let me qualify the quote. I was only commenting on Leiandra's statement: "Paladin: King of the direct heals. For the most part, paladin spells take time to cast." I was only trying to compare the paladins largest heal with the priests largest heal. Even if you do take into account all the possible talents, the priest will have the bigger and more mana efficient heal. So the "king of direct heals" didn't sit well with me. Although from what I have been reading that isn't how pallies heal. So you are right that the comparison is mute. Now having said that, I'm not trying to argue that priests are better overall healers right now. I hope they are again in the future, because it saddens me to have a hybrid class out do a dedicated class, but the fact remains that Pallies are taking the main heal roll in raids right now. So I have a few question, I sincerely would like to understand better: From the posts, it sounds like pallies use their flash of light much more than holy light? Why are paladins so efficient? Is it the downgrading with high +heal? Is it their mana regen seal? How long can they go spamming flash of light? As I stated on Leiandra's site, when I have raided, the palllies get their heals off faster, and I cancel a lot of my heals. Do pallies tend to overheal a lot? That obviously isn't a problem if they have almost endless mana? I guess what i'm asking is how do holy pallies heal? Since it was my comment that started this whole thing, I hope you don’t mind me chiming in. First off let me qualify the quote. I was only commenting on Leiandra’s statement:
“Paladin: King of the direct heals. For the most part, paladin spells take time to cast.” I was only trying to compare the paladins largest heal with the priests largest heal. Even if you do take into account all the possible talents, the priest will have the bigger and more mana efficient heal. So the “king of direct heals” didn’t sit well with me. Although from what I have been reading that isn’t how pallies heal. So you are right that the comparison is mute.

Now having said that, I’m not trying to argue that priests are better overall healers right now. I hope they are again in the future, because it saddens me to have a hybrid class out do a dedicated class, but the fact remains that Pallies are taking the main heal roll in raids right now.

So I have a few question, I sincerely would like to understand better:
From the posts, it sounds like pallies use their flash of light much more than holy light? Why are paladins so efficient? Is it the downgrading with high +heal? Is it their mana regen seal? How long can they go spamming flash of light?

As I stated on Leiandra’s site, when I have raided, the palllies get their heals off faster, and I cancel a lot of my heals. Do pallies tend to overheal a lot? That obviously isn’t a problem if they have almost endless mana?

I guess what i’m asking is how do holy pallies heal?

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